os journeyn (LONG)

Sat Oct 13 00:47:09 PDT 2001

Dear Joelle,

how are you?

thank you for your nice letter, .... it is so warming us and gives us a
shoulder of community!

We are just back from our trip to Nojabrsk (Novembersk - if translated, as
the place was called this way because there was a new oil - place found
there in Novermber...) and the people in the North of Siberia are not just
the average people - they are more active, then the average people as they
decided to move North - to some 63 degree of North parallel... to live there
in the permafrost - where they have already snow on the ground - as well as
in Novosibirsk today.... a little bit early...

they are very intellectual - the people we worked with and it was a sort of
funny to look as they fulfill our tasks in Future Search Conference and just
jumped fulfilling OS technology -  at once they understood what we wanted
from them, not even listening all instructions up to the end, so I asked
them to wait a little bit and listen all the instructions, may it was wrong,
they were already started to discuss all their ideas....

but it was really good process, though it started as usual with unexpected
things. As I thought we agreed on the dates with the Mayor of the city, he
was asked to go to the Regional meeting to "defend" the budget of the City
and his vice-mayor was working with us. but when we arrived, thinking that
we need to start the same day, the people were surprised and said, that the
workshop starts tomorrow....

so the first info went throug with the dates 10-11-12, and the new agreement
becouse of the flights "tuesday and friday" going to Novosibirsk and back
was LOST. so they said : "Well, you will fly next Tuesday...." which was not
a way for us as Marina has a new OS on Sunday with "Young Leaders Club" of
8-10 years old children  and their parents and doesn't know what will
happens if children will have question, how they will lead the group
discussion and so on... so we did ask to find other ways of going to
Novosibirsk and there is an every day flight from Surgut - another oil place
three hours drive (in the night) there from Nojabrsk, so we did it after the
closing of FSC and the flight was 6:50 am to Novosibirsk - so happy and
tired without night - we are back home!!

take care

and good luck

elena

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joelle Lyons Everett" <JLEShelton at aol.com>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: os journeyn (LONG)

> Elena--
>
> Truly, you make my head spin with all the work you are doing!  And we saw
> some of the results of your work in July, when we discovered that many of
the
> women at the leadership conference had already experienced one or more
Open
> Space conferences.
>
> I also observed that the Siberian women who were in OS with us in Tacoma
and
> in Novosibirsk were reluctant to divide the group and attend different
> sessions, but worked very hard to present all the sessions sequentially.
And
> I decided that if this is self-organized and agreeable to the
participants,
> it is probably okay.  Though I would like the group to divide by interest
and
> work longer on their questions.  But I think overall it is working.
>
> I felt very sad about the Sibir plane which went down--it is just a
tragedy
> for the people involved, and also for the airline.  And I understand why
> Russians are still flying--your country is so huge that it is not too
> feasible to hop in your car and drive!
>
> I salute you and Marina for your hard work to introduce new ways of
working
> together to so many people.  If they try something new, then they have
more
> choices for the future.  Know that many of us are cheering for you!
>
> Joelle
>
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>From  Sat Oct 13 12:45:24 2001
Message-Id: <SAT.13.OCT.2001.124524.0200.>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:45:24 +0200
Reply-To: florianfischer at ff-wey.com
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: florian fischer <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>
Subject: Re: 1998 retired Lt. Col. (Dr. Robert Bowman) letter
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Julie Hotard schrieb:

> Interesting letter I got forwarded from a friend. Colonel Bowman
>
> Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination,
> and terror around the world, we should abolish the
> CIA and give money to relief agencies. In short,
> we should do good instead of evil. Who would try to stop us? Who would
> hate us?
> Who would want to bomb us? That is the truth the American people need
> to hear.
>
>
>
> Dr. Robert M. Bowman
> 2066 Deercroft Dr, Viera, FL 32940
> home (321) 752-5955
> cell (321) 258-0582
> isss at rmbowman.com
>
> dear julie.
> for the people in europe it is so important to know
> that there are  voices of america with such a message.
> we in europe are still over-informed by the big-media about an unic US
>
> we need to know  more about the other US.
> "the other" isn´t it the spice in the pottage ?
> thanks to our openspace-community and thanks to the os-list i myself
> feel well-informed about the other US, the spicy one.
> thanks for forwarding the text of robert m. bowman (nomen est omen:
> (bowing the head for to listen and for to understand what is
> happening)
> i´ll forward the text as well to my network.
> florian
>
>

florian fischer
begleitung im wandel
münchener 6
10779 berlin
fon 0049.30. 2116752
fax 0049.30. 2115943
florianfischer at ff-wey.com

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Interesting
letter I got forwarded from a friend. Colonel
Bowman
Instead of supporting insurrection,
destabilization, assassination,
 and terror around the world, we should
abolish the
 CIA and give money to relief agencies.
In short,
 we should do good instead of evil.
Who would try to stop us? Who would hate us?
 Who would want to bomb us? That is
the truth the American people need to hear.
  
  
Dr. Robert M. Bowman
 2066 Deercroft Dr, Viera, FL 32940
 home (321) 752-5955
 cell (321) 258-0582
 isss at rmbowman.com
dear julie.
 for the people in europe it is so
important to know
 that there are  voices of america
with such a message.
 we in europe are still over-informed
by the big-media about an unic US
 we need to know  more about the
other US.
 "the other" isn´t it the spice
in the pottage ?
 thanks to our openspace-community
and thanks to the os-list i myself
 feel well-informed about the other
US, the spicy one.
 thanks for forwarding the text of
robert m. bowman (nomen est omen:
 (bowing the head for to listen and
for to understand what is happening)
 i´ll forward the text as well
to my network.
 florian
  
  </blockquote>
florian fischer
 begleitung im wandel
 münchener 6
 10779 berlin
 fon 0049.30. 2116752
 fax 0049.30. 2115943
 florianfischer at ff-wey.com
  
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>From  Sat Oct 13 12:46:48 2001
Message-Id: <SAT.13.OCT.2001.124648.0200.>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:46:48 +0200
Reply-To: florianfischer at ff-wey.com
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: florian fischer <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>
Subject: Re: Annual meetings and OST
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> ... looking for experiences using OS at annual meetings. Have some one
> done
> > this? How did you do it? What happend?
> >
> > Greetings
> > Ulrika Eklund
> > Sweden
> >

dear all,
i tried it already three times, to convince the leading people of three
different associations,
where i´m associate, to run the annual meeting in an alternative way:
in favor to avoid the splitting into a paid panel and a paying audience,
in favor to use the energy and the dynamic and the synergy of merging people,
in favor to let rise passion and responsibility ......... you know all that.
and i try not speak about open space but to practice it by doing step by step,
listening.
every time in the beginning there are some folks who want to go there on.
but every time, still now, at the end they are afraid of "chaos", afraid not to
give honor enough
to the speakers which are expecting a whole audience, afraid perhaps about the
politics of
the association may get a push for a new or another direction ???
is that german ?? ist das typisch deutsch ??
what is wrong in my trying. i have to give more time, i´ll get more time to the
next opportunity.

the end of next week there will be hold a congress about
"the brand germany. german design within globalization"
(die marke deutschland. deutsches design im zeichen der globalisierung)
at the second day i´ll give a lecture about "german detouring"
at the third day they´ll give the chance for me to facilitate a 4 hour open
space about:
"my personal part as designer to/on/under the brand germany"

best regards
florian

florian fischer
begleitung im wandel
münchener 6
10779 berlin
fon 0049.30. 2116752
fax 0049.30. 2115943
florianfischer at ff-wey.com

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