Novosibirsk reflections continued

Meg Salter meg.salter at sympatico.ca
Mon Jun 18 19:06:37 PDT 2001


I'm sure there will be a time - when who knows?? - that you will be the
people who are understood all over the world. And all we can do is work on
that!

Best ------------- Meg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elena A. Marchuk" <marco at MAIL.NSK.RU>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Novosibirsk reflections continued


> hm
>
> thank you, Meg
>
> it is a time
>
> and we are not the people who are understood at once
> but we are working on that
>
> best wishes to you
> elena
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Meg Salter <meg.salter at SYMPATICO.CA>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Novosibirsk reflections continued
>
>
> > Thank you Elena, Birgitt - what a wonderful sharing.
> >
> > I want to offer an observation, and perhaps a caution.
> > Way back in the 60's (!) I studied Russian in high school and university
> for
> > 5 years. Then in the 70's, way before perestrioka, I spent a few brief
> weeks
> > in the USSR - both Russia and one of the republics (Soviet Armenia) The
> KGB
> > was very evident, the black market was thriving (blue jeans being a hot
> > item), the food was limited, but available. The society worked - sort
of,
> > for some, and many paid a heavy price. A poet I met later committed
> > suicide - he could not find a way forward.
> >
> > For those of you have read Spiral Dynamics (and Ken Wilber picks up on
the
> > terms), the societ was heavy Blue - controlled by the state, paramount
> > obedience to authority, a sense of Mother Russia and the state being
> greater
> > than any one individual. That society is splitting at the seams - some
> > engaging in entrepeneurial opportunities (Orange), many regressing to a
> > fight to survive (Red). There is no question that they are in Open
Space,
> a
> > time of great upheaval, potential for high learning, and high risk. It
is
> so
> > wonderful that Elena, Birgitt and all are offering a vehicle for
> > transformation.
> >
> > And I believe that is is important not to impose our own implicit
cultural
> > assumptions on what is needed next. In North America, most can talk
about
> > abundance because, next to most of the world, we have it. We can take a
> > certain basis of societal order for granted. Many Russians (and other
> > "developing groups" - at home and abroad) cannot. So I think it is
really
> > important, in our work as facilitators of the life and growth process,
to
> be
> > open to what needs to happen next - which the larger group will know. (I
> see
> > a parallel kind of things in people and organizations who have gone
> through
> > major downsizings.)
> >
> > Anyway - food for thought - wonderful work, all of you!!
> >
> > Meg Salter
> >
> > MegaSpace Consulting
> > 416/486-6660
> > meg.salter at sympatico.ca
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Glory Ressler" <on.the.edge at SYMPATICO.CA>
> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: Novosibirsk reflections continued
> >
> >
> > > Dear Birgitt, Elena and other colleagues:
> > > What a gift you have all given us!  THANK YOU!!!!!!!
> > > I am deeply moved and inspired by the courageous and beautiful stories
> > > of how the russian people (and all people, for that matter!) are
> > > struggling to brilliantly adapt to environmental challenges.
> > > In my humble, storied interpretation, I see an incredibly strong
people
> > > REFUSING to give over to unhealthy systemic conditions.  This is a
> > > people who may have very important things to say about the spirit of
> > > survival in our species!  The determination to 'press on', literally
and
> > > metaphorically, is a testament to their strength, courage, and
> > > persistence.  It speaks, to me, of only the deep resources of a people
> > > steeped in their own beautiful and, sometimes, tragic culture.  On
this
> > > level I can relate personally and culturally, to some extent,  and am
> > > very open to hearing more and growing together!
> > > The posts have sparked my own thinking around,  how I might choose to
> > > engage in such an energetic environment....
> > > Warm wishes to all!
> > > glory
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Glory Ressler, B.A., Dip. GIT
> > > Avalon Consulting & Associates
> > > Phone: (905) 937-2177
> > > Fax:     (905) 937-1214
> > > www.edgeofavalon.com
> > > "...the edge where 21st century scientific insight and ancient
> > > storytelling wisdom meet in the service of transformation and growth"
> > >
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