This list and the online forum

Sun Oct 29 01:45:26 PDT 2000

Artur,

As one of the initiators of the online OSonOS, I understand your points and
agree with you about shifting OSonOS discussions back to the list.  To
provide a sense of closure to the online OSonOS, I would suggest setting an
ending time and inviting participants to make closing comments between now
and then.

Michael Herman, and others, how does this sound?

Chris Weaver

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>From: "Artur F. Silva" <artsilva at MAIL.EUNET.PT>
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: [OSLIST] This list and the online forum
>Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2000, 6:57 PM
>

> Dear all:
>
> An online forum has been opened to allow for praticioners
> that had not come to Berlin to keep in touch. For the time being
> it is still open, and I wonder if there it is not a problem to have
> this list and that forum to discuss the same subjects. In a short
> time I suspect that we can have two different virtual communities
> one in each of those spaces.
>
> I have contributed to both spaces, but I prefer OSLIST for
> the following reasons:
>
> - I receive each message in my mailbox, without having to
> remember to go to the site and check every thread for new
> messages.
>
> - I can organise my mailbox, and reorganise it in many ways
> (by thread, by author, by date, etc) and, if it is needed, the messages
> are also on-line.
>
> - Different threads being the "equivalent" of different rooms,
> we all can be in all rooms at the same time maximising
> cross-pollination between threads.
>
> - As local telephone calls have to be paid in Europe, it is much
> cheaper to connect to receive the messages, answer off-line and then
> connect again to send them (except if you one happens to have a
> permanent connection or when one is searching the net).
>
> - Messages tend to be shorter online and some times a longer
> message is needed; and for longer messages I prefer to print
> them and read on paper than on the screen.
>
> I think the product used in the on-line forum is great, especially
> if we are running two parallel sessions (and we have many
> computers in each of the sites...) or for the purpose that we have
> used it during the Berlin meeting, but for an ongoing dialogue
> I prefer the mailing list. With the two simultaneous spaces
> I begin to get confused :-( And the flow of messages here is less
> than usual (but that can have other reasons).
>
> I would like to know what others think on that. Maybe there
> is an easy way to manage that confusion that I am not aware of?
>
> Regards
>
> Artur
>
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From: Larry Peterson <lpasoc at inforamp.net>
Subject: Re: OS and Information Systems - Help please
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Aurtur and others;

It was a great OSonOS event at Wannsee,  so many wonderful people and so
little time.

My family and I had a beautiful time in Potsdam and on the trains (RE, U and
S bahn's) all over Berlin.  The Wall is down, the interactive world
continues to rush in.  The East is struggling.  We stood in line for 2 hours
with many Germans to see the new Riechstag (sp?), the new symbol of the
United Germany.  We spent the day in Sansoucci to experience an old, opulent
German elite.  We visted Zoo Station, the Church, Kreutzberg,  Check Point
Charlie and many more places.  We won't be the same.

Artur --  As for using Open Space with change processes related to new IT
systems.  I've been doing it for the last while with Sharon King.
Interactive project planning processes which involve whole systems in
clarifying and redefining implementation of a soft-ware like Oracle in a
huge system are critical to effective implementation and shifting awareness
to an interactive organization.   There is no "model" but working with one
segment of the key actors to get beyond "change management" to interactive
and inclusive processes.  At times Opening Space and times clarifying
strategic intent and at other times getting all the key actors in the room
in guided but dialogue full conversations.  It is still going on and will
likely for awhile.  So there are still many things for me to learn.

Larry

Larry Peterson
Associates in Transformation
41 Appleton Ave., Toronto, ON,
Canada, M6E 3A4
Tel:/Fax: 416-653-4829

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