In a message dated 11/17/99 9:04:31 AM, owen at tmn.com writes: << I don't have a number, but probably information does. >> Grove Consultants International 415-561-2500 www.grove.com An excellent firm with high quality products! Jay Jay W. Vogt Peoplesworth 166 Hubbard Street Concord, MA 01742-2448 USA (978) 371-3134 - Voice (978) 287-5431 - Fax jaywv at aol.com - Email