an interesting meeting in Berlin]

[Funda Oral]

Filiz, why not our city : Istanbul?  
I have been putting energy for something like that for long time
You do too
Maybe it happens
funda
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  How about this?

   

  Could we do, if we had put our energies into it, a similar size and popular OS event in some big city, would that be revolutionary, evolutionary and worth the effort?

   

  Playfully,

  filiz

   

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  From: Funda Oral [mailto:fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr] 
  Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:07 PM
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  Harrison, i love you too,

   

  Michael, i agree with you and with Harrison,

   

  But, the show must go on!

   

  I wish this meeting was an OS meeting whether with or without experts.

   

  Funda

   

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    From: Harrison Owen 

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    Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:44 PM

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    Thanks to my increasing myopia (doubtless due to sins past and present) I did in fact miss the URL. small print! is the root of all evil!! But I love you Funda!!!

     

    And Michael -- you captured my feeling exactly when it come to events like this. Doubtless it will be a marvelous show, but as an advance of real knowledge, and more importantly the application of that knowledge, I rather think it will come up short. The "Expert Syndrome" one more time. Old joke about the definition of "expert" -- "a has been under pressure." Some truth there, I think.

     

    Harrison

     

    Harrison Owen
    7808 River Falls Dr.
    Potomac, MD  20854
    USA
    301-365-2093
    207-763-3261 (summer)
    website www.openspaceworld.com
    Personal Website www.ho-image.com

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      From: Michael M Pannwitz 

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      Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:12 AM

      Subject: [Fwd: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]

       

      Dear list,
      yesterday, I did send the note below to ho who had not discovered the 
      link and entered my esteemed opinion on this project.
      Its in the local Berlin paper again today with a long report on how they 
      are creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one outdoor for sunny 
      weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very fancy and expensive 
      material that can also be written on...they have already approached the 
      Guinness Book of World Records for the largest round table ever...and I 
      wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in pieces and auction it off as 
      they did with other local objects like the Berlin Wall....and, of 
      course, there is going to be a video where you can see all of them 
      simultaneously answering questions...

      To me this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve Problems" 
      (Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between 1900 and 
      1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group Problem 
      Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the influence of 
      Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into "Experts improve 
      whole systems" and, more recently, with the development of approaches 
      such as Open Space, Future Search, etc., into "Everybody improves whole 
      systems".
      I dont think that an approach long shown to be useless for the 
      challenges we are facing now improves through technology that makes it 
      available instantaneously, worldwide...
      Still, its a fascinating show that definitely is marketed in an 
      effective mode...
      So, for me its back to practicing Open Space Technology!
      Greetings from Berlin
      mmp



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      Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin
      Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25 +0200
      From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.de>
      To: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
      References: <00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0 at fundao0ngpntt7> 
      <002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018 at holaptop>

      click on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old men like me
      it was in the local Berlin paper today and I consider it to be a
      fabulous piece of bullshit,
      especially since they definitely forgot to include THIS
      great mind
      Tables have been out for some time...
      Greetings from Berlin
      mmp

      Harrison Owen wrote:
      > OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more mysterious than 
      > now. . . What interesting meeting in Berlin????
      >  
      > ho
      > Harrison Owen
      > 7808 River Falls Dr.
      > Potomac, MD  20854
      > USA
      > 301-365-2093
      > 207-763-3261 (summer)
      > website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
      > Personal Website www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
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