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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Filiz, why not our city :
Istanbul? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been putting energy for something like that
for long time</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You do too</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe it happens</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>funda</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=filiz@bugday.org href="mailto:filiz@bugday.org">filiz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 04, 2006 7:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: an interesting meeting in
Berlin]</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <SPAN
class=SpellE>about</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>this</SPAN>?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Could</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <SPAN
class=SpellE>we</SPAN> do, <SPAN class=SpellE>if</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>we</SPAN> had put <SPAN class=SpellE>our</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>energies</SPAN> <SPAN class=SpellE>into</SPAN> it, a <SPAN
class=SpellE>similar</SPAN> size <SPAN class=SpellE>and</SPAN> popular OS
<SPAN class=SpellE>event</SPAN> in <SPAN class=SpellE>some</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>big</SPAN> <SPAN class=SpellE>city</SPAN>, <SPAN
class=SpellE>would</SPAN> <SPAN class=SpellE>that</SPAN> be <SPAN
class=SpellE>revolutionary</SPAN>, <SPAN class=SpellE>evolutionary</SPAN>
<SPAN class=SpellE>and</SPAN> <SPAN class=SpellE>worth</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>the</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>effort</SPAN>?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Playfully</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">filiz<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----<SPAN
class=SpellE>Original</SPAN> <SPAN
class=SpellE>Message</SPAN>-----<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Funda Oral
[mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, September 04, 2006 5:07
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: an interesting meeting in
Berlin]</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harrison, i love you
too,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Michael, i agree with you and with
Harrison,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But, the show must go
on!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I wish this meeting was an OS
meeting whether with or without experts.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Funda</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=hhowen@adelphia.net href="mailto:hhowen@adelphia.net">Harrison
Owen</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday,
September 04, 2006 3:44 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: an
interesting meeting in Berlin]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks to my increasing myopia
(doubtless due to sins past and present) I did in fact miss the URL.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">small print!</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> is the root of all evil!! But I
love you Funda!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And Michael -- you captured my
feeling exactly when it come to events like this. Doubtless it will be a
marvelous show, but as an advance of real knowledge, and more importantly
the application of that knowledge, I rather think it will come up short. The
"Expert Syndrome" one more time. Old joke about the definition of "expert"
-- "a has been under pressure." Some truth there, I
think.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harrison</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls
Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261
(summer)<BR>website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A><BR>Personal
Website <A
href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=mmpanne@boscop.de href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">Michael M
Pannwitz</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, September 04, 2006 4:12 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> [Fwd:
Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear
list,<BR>yesterday, I did send the note below to ho who had not discovered
the <BR>link and entered my esteemed opinion on this project.<BR>Its in
the local Berlin paper again today with a long report on how they <BR>are
creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one outdoor for sunny
<BR>weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very fancy and
expensive <BR>material that can also be written on...they have already
approached the <BR>Guinness Book of World Records for the largest round
table ever...and I <BR>wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in pieces
and auction it off as <BR>they did with other local objects like the
Berlin Wall....and, of <BR>course, there is going to be a video where you
can see all of them <BR>simultaneously answering questions...<BR><BR>To me
this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve Problems"
<BR>(Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between 1900
and <BR>1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group
Problem <BR>Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the
influence of <BR>Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into
"Experts improve <BR>whole systems" and, more recently, with the
development of approaches <BR>such as Open Space, Future Search, etc.,
into "Everybody improves whole <BR>systems".<BR>I dont think that an
approach long shown to be useless for the <BR>challenges we are facing now
improves through technology that makes it <BR>available instantaneously,
worldwide...<BR>Still, its a fascinating show that definitely is marketed
in an <BR>effective mode...<BR>So, for me its back to practicing Open
Space Technology!<BR>Greetings from Berlin<BR>mmp<BR><BR><BR><BR>--------
Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in
Berlin<BR>Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25 +0200<BR>From: Michael M
Pannwitz <<A
href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">mmpanne@boscop.de</A>><BR>To: Harrison
Owen <<A
href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</A>><BR>References:
<<A
href="mailto:00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0@fundao0ngpntt7">00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0@fundao0ngpntt7</A>>
<BR><<A
href="mailto:002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018@holaptop">002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018@holaptop</A>><BR><BR>click
on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old men like
me<BR>it was in the local Berlin paper today and I consider it to be
a<BR>fabulous piece of bullshit,<BR>especially since they definitely
forgot to include THIS<BR>great mind<BR>Tables have been out for some
time...<BR>Greetings from Berlin<BR>mmp<BR><BR>Harrison Owen
wrote:<BR>> OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more
mysterious than <BR>> now. . . What interesting meeting in
Berlin????<BR>> <BR>> ho<BR>> Harrison Owen<BR>> 7808
River Falls Dr.<BR>> Potomac, MD 20854<BR>> USA<BR>>
301-365-2093<BR>> 207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>> website <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A> <<A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">http://www.openspaceworld.com</A>><BR>>
Personal Website <A href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</A>
<<A
href="http://www.ho-image.com">http://www.ho-image.com</A>><BR>>
<BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> *From:* Funda Oral <<A
href="mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr">mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr</A>><BR>>
*To:* <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A><BR>>
<<A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:21 PM<BR>>
*Subject:* an interesting meeting in Berlin<BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://www.droppingknowledge.org/">http://www.droppingknowledge.org/</A><BR>>
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