<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Jeff,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And, maybe to be a little redundant to say, but meant to be respectfully honoring, both Chris Corrigan and Peggy Holman have really beautiful graphics that describe this path.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John Watkins</div><div class="">Oakland, CA<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Michael. Yes that's an interesting framing thank you. <div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I am partial to the "chaordic path" taught in the Art of Hosting. This short video with a group of trainers talks about control, order, and chaos, and the sweet spot of leadership found in the dance between order and chaos. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><a href="https://youtu.be/B8SNaAH20fk" class="">https://youtu.be/B8SNaAH20fk</a><br class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">To try a first response to your question, I might say that "learning to trust the forces of self organization" is a remedy for institutional or personal habits of control.<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">With my best for your holydays as well,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Warmly,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Jeff</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""> </div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 12:29 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Jeff,<br class="">
<br class="">
all the best to you in 2022 and Merry Xmas.<br class="">
<br class="">
I wonder in which way the assumption<br class="">
"OST and other participatory methods are intended to remedy ..."<br class="">
is congruent with the assumption that OST is not intending to remedy any <br class="">
particular situation.<br class="">
<br class="">
As ost facilitator my assumption is that OST is an effective approach to <br class="">
expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation and that <br class="">
control accomplishes the opposite... and that it is utterly impossible <br class="">
to know what the forces of selforganisation will bring about.<br class="">
<br class="">
Isn't that what makes the OST approach unique?<br class="">
<br class="">
Greetings from Berlin<br class="">
mmp<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Am 13.12.2021 um 03:38 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:<br class="">
> So yes, my question wasn't fully formed until now:<br class="">
> <br class="">
> I am fascinated that folks who are passionate about Open Space can be in <br class="">
> differing "poles" of the "polarity" in the USA, and also be able to show <br class="">
> how OS is a kind of guide to understanding their own view.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Which leads me to wonder if good old OS can help unlock insights into <br class="">
> the situation in a fruitful way.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Being USA centric in an international list has its issues, but any <br class="">
> insight from outside the USA is welcome and important, including a <br class="">
> request to keep it among us folk.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> We may not want to "go there" here, and that would be fine, but i would <br class="">
> feel remiss not to mention it, as 2022 draws near. It will be a big year <br class="">
> in these parts.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Warmly,<br class="">
> Jeff<br class="">
> <br class="">
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 2:08 PM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a> <br class="">
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Yes, it seems that the paradigm of authoritarian leadership is<br class="">
> exactly what OST and other participatory methods are intended to<br class="">
> remedy.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> The postwar work in social systems by folks like Kurt Levin and<br class="">
> others were a response to the tragic origins of the second world<br class="">
> war, along with the outdated mechanistic notions of human<br class="">
> organization. OD work and later OT work like Open Space have this in<br class="">
> their genealogy.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> I'm so curious how we may have differing perspectives on where such<br class="">
> authoritarian impulses are present now, and what to do about them.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Not to "go there" right here and now, but to invite an inquiry into<br class="">
> the resources of this legacy of theory and practice as a guide for<br class="">
> muddling into the near future.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Maybe skilled hosting would be called for in such a case. (Not<br class="">
> volunteering, as I am surely holding one of the "poles".)<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Warmly,<br class="">
> Jeff<br class="">
> <br class="">
> <br class="">
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 12:28 PM Marc C. Trudeau via OSList<br class="">
> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class="">
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> wrote:<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Mark, check out Daniel Mezick’s A-1 Meeting, as a way to give<br class="">
> the bosses a taste and help them test their own resolve. You<br class="">
> could build the A-1 around the OST Principles and Law. Odds are,<br class="">
> some of the bosses really are Open.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Peace,<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Marc<br class="">
> <br class="">
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>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList<br class="">
>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class="">
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> wrote:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> <br class="">
>> Greetings!!<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Bosses that SAY they are Open are perhaps ALL talk... <br class="">
>> THEREFORE, Beware of Bad Bosses. This is My New 1st Law of<br class="">
>> OST, unwritten and unspoken, of course. In my humble (or not<br class="">
>> so humble) opinion, All believers in and Facilitators of Open<br class="">
>> Space Technology must understand times have changed. In the<br class="">
>> US, we now live in Retaliation Nation. Don't believe it, just<br class="">
>> look at any and all the news. One smear campaign after<br class="">
>> another. Yet, the great USA is the most open and envied<br class="">
>> society on earth, right? Before leading your Open Spacers into<br class="">
>> the Tiger's Den, prior to the invitation stage and setting up<br class="">
>> the theme, i suggest you first vet the true intent of the<br class="">
>> bosses. Look at their past behavior and figure out whether<br class="">
>> they are open or if they repeat past behavior to pounce on<br class="">
>> open and honest people they consider Snitches. If a boss is<br class="">
>> dishonest and fake, do not consider honoring them with the<br class="">
>> miracle of OST. They don't deserve trust and will crush<br class="">
>> criticism like a bug.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Take it from today's Dilbert Cartoon:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Dilbert holds an Open Meeting... Dilbert says...We won a<br class="">
>> guvmint contract to build a CO2 capture machine. We are only<br class="">
>> brainstorming so remember, there are no bad ideas... Alice<br class="">
>> says...we could capture CO2 with a net. Aren't you going to<br class="">
>> write that down? Dilbert says...No, I'm fairly confident I'll<br class="">
>> remember that suggestion for the rest of my life... then Wally<br class="">
>> says...we could attract the CO2 with some sort of food... then<br class="">
>> Dilbert says...Forget it. You're all idiots. I'll just design<br class="">
>> the stupid machine myself... As employees exit the meeting,<br class="">
>> Alice says...that was fun. Then Wally says...<br class="">
>> I love brainstorming!<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Wishing Peace to the Peacemakers and TO ALL those you serve.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Mark Carmel, OST Facilitator<br class="">
>> Collaborator King<br class="">
>> Circle of Synergy<br class="">
>> Circle of Champions<br class="">
>> Circle of Peace<br class="">
>> Chief cook and bottle washer...<br class="">
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