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1. Re: Where angels fear to tread (Jeff Aitken)<br>
2. Re: Where angels fear to tread (Birgitt Williams)<br>
3. Where Angel's Fear to Tread (Mark Carmel)<br>
4. Re: Where Angel's Fear to Tread (Jeff Aitken)<br>
5. An Improbable invitation. A poem about a job. (Phelim McDermott)<br>
6. Re: An Improbable invitation. A poem about a job.<br>
(Phelim McDermott)<br>
7. Re: An Improbable invitation. A poem about a job. (Alan Halford)<br>
8. Re: An Improbable invitation. A poem about a job.<br>
(Harrison Owen SR)<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:04:45 -0800<br>
From: Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br>
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The reason I ask, about Nora getting at something new and different, is<br>
that I know seasoned veterans of Open Space who are very excited about Warm<br>
Data Labs.<br>
<br>
Something seems new to them. (I will ask.)<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 11:33 AM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> PS Chris - love what you shared. Already thinking of design ideas for that<br>
> badge...<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 10:52 AM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> To come back around to Nora for a moment: She is exploring how a fresh<br>
>> new hypothesis gets created, one which can be a better fit to a complex<br>
>> situation in a time of crisis.<br>
>><br>
>> Foundational to a new hypothesis is "the realm of unseen contributors<br>
>> coalescing to produce the foundations of hypothesis."<br>
>><br>
>> She finds that by intentionally placing different contexts of life side<br>
>> by side in new configurations - literally doing so in the design of warm<br>
>> data labs - the tender shoots of new hypothesis formation are nurtured.<br>
>><br>
>> My question: Is this a restatement of the notion that "U shaped"<br>
>> processes like Bohm dialogue or Open Space can foster conversation that<br>
>> deepens us beneath our long held assumptions, to explore fresh assumptions?<br>
>> (What some have called transformative learning, and what HHO originally<br>
>> called "crossing the open space"?)<br>
>><br>
>> Or is Nora getting at something new and different?<br>
>><br>
>> Nora and colleagues might or might not be versed in the theory and<br>
>> practice of what Peggy documented in The Change Handbook, with 18 and then<br>
>> 60+ different processes.<br>
>><br>
>> We have kinda danced around this question, and I want to ask it more<br>
>> directly.<br>
>><br>
>> Warmly<br>
>><br>
>> Jeff<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 9:36 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I think I have come to learn that all the work of an Open Space meeting<br>
>>> happens in the invitation, and the more personal and intentional the<br>
>>> better. Recently I had a client work for two months to get 20 very<br>
>>> powerful people in a room to talk about a major issue in the education<br>
>>> system, and the Open Space was only six hours, and my work was really only<br>
>>> 20 minutes of active facilitation. That to me is a mark of great<br>
>>> participation and a high chance for sustainability of the results. Hoping<br>
>>> one day I can coach a client in invitation so well that they don;t even<br>
>>> need a big face to face meeting, or at the very least, they don't need me<br>
>>> there. At that point I will call it "Achieving a Harrison" and award<br>
>>> myself a badge. And then go and take a nap.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Chris<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:15 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> I love this way of clarifying how you can look for inviting the whole<br>
>>>> system, Peggy! Thanks for sharing! I will make sure I incorporate it in my<br>
>>>> practice as I think it helps the thinking about how to spread ?the<br>
>>>> irresistible invitation?. And I also agree its great to involve as many of<br>
>>>> these stakeholders early in the process, especially as there is often a low<br>
>>>> level of trust between them.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Usually I invite my sponsors quite clearly to not jump up and raise<br>
>>>> their topics but wait and see what happens, I assure them that I will be<br>
>>>> very clear to give space for everyone and not closing the agenda creation<br>
>>>> without very clear last opportunities ? so they can rest assured that all<br>
>>>> of their important topics can be posted. So if they miss anything at the<br>
>>>> end, they can add. I agree with others, they are mostly surprised by the<br>
>>>> richness of the agenda created by participants.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One piece I have included in my designs the last years is to have a<br>
>>>> ?sync-meeting? some time the last week before the OST, to give them an<br>
>>>> opportunity to share their hopes and fears for the upcoming OST and clarify<br>
>>>> any practicalities they may be wondering about. This is much appreciated<br>
>>>> and givs them more of a feeling of safety and it increases their curiosity,<br>
>>>> openness and peace ?.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> With appreciation for all of the wisdom in this circle<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thomas Herrmann<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *Fr?n:* OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> *F?r *Peggy<br>
>>>> Holman via OSList<br>
>>>> *Skickat:* den 18 november 2021 23:08<br>
>>>> *Till:* Open Space Listserv <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
>>>> *Kopia:* Peggy Holman <<a href="mailto:peggy@peggyholman.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">peggy@peggyholman.com</a>><br>
>>>> *?mne:* Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Like Michael, I have had the experience of leaders making a list behind<br>
>>>> the scenes and being surprised that participants not only posted everything<br>
>>>> on their list but also things that they hadn?t thought of that turned out<br>
>>>> to matter to them. And, of course, the experience of witnessing the<br>
>>>> passion, interest, and creativity of people often surprises everyone who is<br>
>>>> in an Open Space meeting for the first time.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Jeff, to your question about requisite variety of topics in an Open<br>
>>>> Space, I see that as a matter of being mindful about invitation. The<br>
>>>> biggest investment of preparation time for the Open Spaces I?m involved<br>
>>>> with are inviting, as Harrison would say, ?the people who care.? Whomever<br>
>>>> I?m working with, I encourage them to do the work of thinking through,<br>
>>>> given their purpose, who makes up the system ? who are the people who care?<br>
>>>> In many cases, that may include involving a microcosm in shaping the<br>
>>>> organizing question and invitation so that it resonates with the people of<br>
>>>> the system.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I take my cue on how to think about who makes up the system from Marv<br>
>>>> Weisbord and Sandra Janoff?s rubric of inviting the people who ?ARE IN? ?<br>
>>>> with *A*uthority, *R*esources, *E*xpertise, *I*nformation, and * N*eed.<br>
>>>> I also suggest an overlay for considering demographic diversity. For<br>
>>>> thinking about that, I draw from the Maynard Institute?s ?Fault lines? -<br>
>>>> race, class, gender, geography, and generation and two ?fissures? -<br>
>>>> politics and religion. Not all dimensions apply to every situation but<br>
>>>> bringing them up enables the people planning the Open Space to make a<br>
>>>> conscious choice about whom they invite and how.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is a long-winded way of saying that my experience is that by doing<br>
>>>> the work to invite a requisite variety of people, a requisite variety of<br>
>>>> topics will show up. And then, to the principle of whoever comes is the<br>
>>>> right people, I let go of worrying about it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Birgitt ? to words and embodied experience, yes you are saying what I<br>
>>>> meant: *it is not the words used that are most likely to help, rather<br>
>>>> the embodied experience*. For example, describing the experience of<br>
>>>> Open Space and what it produces can be enough for some. For most of us,<br>
>>>> hearing a description or even seeing a video doesn?t come close to being<br>
>>>> there. It is a multi-dimensional experience that involves, head, heart,<br>
>>>> body, spirit. Rarely does this come across in a description. A story might<br>
>>>> communicate more of it. But I?m guessing most people discover some aspect<br>
>>>> they hadn?t expected from just reading, hearing, or watching a video about<br>
>>>> it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Appreciatively,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Peggy<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Peggy Holman<br>
>>>> Co-founder<br>
>>>> Journalism That Matters<br>
>>>> 15347 SE 49th Place<br>
>>>> Bellevue, WA 98006<br>
>>>> 206-948-0432<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.journalismthatmatters.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.journalismthatmatters.org</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.peggyholman.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.peggyholman.com</a><br>
>>>> Twitter: @peggyholman<br>
>>>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into<br>
>>>> Opportunity <<a href="http://www.engagingemergence.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.engagingemergence.com</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dear Birgitt,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> your two sentences:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in<br>
>>>> the moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be<br>
>>>> posted at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on<br>
>>>> anyone to pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation<br>
>>>> rather than abundance of possibilities."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> had some memories come up.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In at least three of the ost events I was involved in it turned out<br>
>>>> that the sponsors prepared a set of "issuse" they felt should be part of<br>
>>>> the event before the event... in case nobody would post them.<br>
>>>> To the surprises of the sponsors all their issues were posted by the<br>
>>>> participants.<br>
>>>> In addition, they themselves experienced that other issues entered<br>
>>>> their mind during the process that they then posted.<br>
>>>> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad<br>
>>>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that<br>
>>>> manifested...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an<br>
>>>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system<br>
>>>> of that enterprise have a look here<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the<br>
>>>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Cheers from Berlin<br>
>>>> mmp<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that<br>
>>>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the<br>
>>>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added<br>
>>>> more great questions.<br>
>>>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a<br>
>>>> gathered group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to<br>
>>>> generate excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen<br>
>>>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?<br>
>>>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying<br>
>>>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?<br>
>>>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post<br>
>>>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does<br>
>>>> that limit the potential and health of the system?<br>
>>>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the<br>
>>>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted<br>
>>>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to<br>
>>>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than<br>
>>>> abundance of possibilities.<br>
>>>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different<br>
>>>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like<br>
>>>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words<br>
>>>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this<br>
>>>> what you mean?<br>
>>>> in genuine contact,<br>
>>>> Birgitt<br>
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>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke<br>
>>>> lurking here somewhere.<br>
>>>> The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of<br>
>>>> proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm<br>
>>>> going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."<br>
>>>> But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and<br>
>>>> responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety<br>
>>>> of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme<br>
>>>> question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems<br>
>>>> changing creativity?<br>
>>>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying<br>
>>>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?<br>
>>>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate<br>
>>>> post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get<br>
>>>> posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?<br>
>>>> What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice<br>
>>>> versa?<br>
>>>> Early morning questions,<br>
>>>> Jeff<br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> From what I can glean in Bateson?s article and what I have<br>
>>>> heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what<br>
>>>> occurs when people meet in Open Space.<br>
>>>> I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to<br>
>>>> give language to new ideas, it?s rough. The effort falls into a<br>
>>>> pattern she discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the<br>
>>>> ideas through habitual lenses. Sometimes more and different<br>
>>>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience.<br>
>>>> Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?<br>
>>>> I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing<br>
>>>> towards vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I hope<br>
>>>> it will become more seen. Sounds like something we want to<br>
>>>> notice and grow.<br>
>>>> Thanks for sending the article Jeff.<br>
>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>> Peggy Holman<br>
>>>> Co-founder<br>
>>>> Journalism That Matters<br>
>>>> Bellevue, WA 98006<br>
>>>> 206-948-0432<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.journalismthatmatters.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.journalismthatmatters.org</a> <<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.journalismthatmatters.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.journalismthatmatters.org</a>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.peggyholman.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.peggyholman.com</a> <<a href="http://www.peggyholman.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.peggyholman.com</a>><br>
>>>> Twitter: @peggyholman<br>
>>>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream<br>
>>>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval<br>
>>>> into Opportunity <<a href="http://www.engagingemergence.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.engagingemergence.com</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this Jeff. I have known about Nora's work<br>
>>>> for sometime and although I don't fully understand it yet I<br>
>>>> think what I do know of it, it's great.).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> WHy does she choose the words she chooses? I think because<br>
>>>> this is how she has come to an understanding about the simple<br>
>>>> truths that Warm Data works with. God know we have some pretty<br>
>>>> funny language amongst us all to explain things like "let<br>
>>>> people look after things they care about." But, Jeff, the<br>
>>>> first piece you posted of hers makes a lot of sense to me and<br>
>>>> is a concise description of Warm Data process, and is very<br>
>>>> helpful to me having an "aha" about it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Chris<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice<br>
>>>> of a methodology that she invented (I think.)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks<br>
>>>> were figuring out what the hell this is all about... : )<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And from the lens of an artist and family therapy<br>
>>>> researcher whose father was Gregory Bateson. That makes<br>
>>>> sense to me...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Warmly<br>
>>>> Jeff<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves<br>
>>>> practitioners to be simple, while it serves systems<br>
>>>> scientists to be complicated or complex.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> They are writing about living systems at all scales<br>
>>>> and making very subtle distinctions.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It may serve us practitioners to have some<br>
>>>> appreciation for the latter. "Your mileage may vary"<br>
>>>> tho, as a friend says!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Warmly<br>
>>>> Jeff<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:birgittwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">birgittwilliams@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:birgittwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">birgittwilliams@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:birgittwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">birgittwilliams@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so<br>
>>>> complicated? Why not simply refer to seen and unseen?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Birgitt<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via<br>
>>>> OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One more email - I was amiss to mention this<br>
>>>> new theory by Nora, without defining the word<br>
>>>> she is introducing, and she finds occurring in<br>
>>>> Warm Data Lab and I think is true in OST too.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It is "a way to describe a life giving<br>
>>>> process, by which vitality, healing, and<br>
>>>> creativity come into being by the coalescence<br>
>>>> of multiple unseen factors."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient<br>
>>>> Greek to describe this way in which life<br>
>>>> coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways.<br>
>>>> (Aphanis comes from a Greek root meaning<br>
>>>> obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from<br>
>>>> one meaning to bring forth, to make.)"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at<br>
>>>> a systems science conference and in a journal<br>
>>>> article.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Useful for practitioners to think about and to<br>
>>>> notice in our work? That's my question for the<br>
>>>> oslist.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It reminds me of Harrison's definition of<br>
>>>> "peace" in The Practice of Peace. With an<br>
>>>> emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle<br>
>>>> shifts that take place that are NOT reflected<br>
>>>> in proceedings and action plans.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Warmly, Jeff.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Reference:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal<br>
>>>> of the International Society for the Systems<br>
>>>> Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual<br>
>>>> Meeting of the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, ?1) ?<br>
>>>> under review.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This work was presented at the Annual<br>
>>>> Biosemiotics Conference June 2021, the Annual<br>
>>>> Conference of the International Society of<br>
>>>> Systems Sciences July 2021, and the Annual<br>
>>>> conference of the Institute of General<br>
>>>> Semantics September 2021.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As a refresher or quick intro to the<br>
>>>> process, Warm Data Lab starts with a group<br>
>>>> of folks and a theme question. But the<br>
>>>> topics of conversation are chosen in<br>
>>>> advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each<br>
>>>> breakout table (or area) gets a topic<br>
>>>> written on a sign: which names a context<br>
>>>> from which to address the theme question.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen<br>
>>>> wide variety of contexts might be:<br>
>>>> education, prisons, public health,<br>
>>>> initiation, addiction, pharmaceuticals,<br>
>>>> parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the<br>
>>>> breakouts of their choice and stay or move<br>
>>>> as they wish. The law of mobility is used.<br>
>>>> A closing circle might end the event after<br>
>>>> some number of hours.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It has some qualities of OST and World<br>
>>>> Cafe while being different.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've only been in one WDL so other folks<br>
>>>> might improve my description.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Jeff<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Where does systemic change take place?<br>
>>>> I am reflecting on earlier posts about<br>
>>>> the Warm Data Lab and comparing -<br>
>>>> contrasting this work with other<br>
>>>> hosted conversation processes like OST.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> What seems different - please correct<br>
>>>> this if it's wrong - is the level of<br>
>>>> attention paid to the complex ways in<br>
>>>> which WDL might help bring about<br>
>>>> change. Looking well beyond action<br>
>>>> plans and carefully harvested<br>
>>>> proceedings etc.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This may be a fruitful area of inquiry<br>
>>>> for OST folks. (The subject line here<br>
>>>> is from a reference in a book by Nora<br>
>>>> Bateson's late father Gregory.)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Nora Bateson just shared a video and<br>
>>>> long essay, coming out prior to her<br>
>>>> essay being published soon in a<br>
>>>> journal. She is introducing a new term<br>
>>>> "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of<br>
>>>> systemic transformation.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The essay is here:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc</a><br>
>>>> <<br>
>>>> <a href="https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can<br>
>>>> this also be said about OST, but we<br>
>>>> just don't??<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Rewilding the Interior<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In the words of the Warm Data hosting<br>
>>>> theory, we tend the ?about? so that<br>
>>>> what is re-configured is in the<br>
>>>> ?within.? It does not really matter<br>
>>>> what people talk ?about? in a Warm<br>
>>>> Data Lab. There is nothing to capture<br>
>>>> at that level. What matters is the way<br>
>>>> the participants are internally sewing<br>
>>>> together the different conversations<br>
>>>> and contexts. On a transcript this<br>
>>>> information is inaccessible.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "In the Warm Data processes,<br>
>>>> communication in explicit form is not<br>
>>>> held to be the communication of<br>
>>>> interest. That level of conversation<br>
>>>> is there as a skeleton, onto which the<br>
>>>> stories not told reshape the person<br>
>>>> who did not tell them, the alterations<br>
>>>> in tone, the re-tilted perception is<br>
>>>> given free rein to rub memories and<br>
>>>> stories against each other. One<br>
>>>> comment that comes up repeatedly is,<br>
>>>> ?Your story changed my story.? Through<br>
>>>> this ?side-by-side-ing,? stories told<br>
>>>> change stories almost told, and their<br>
>>>> bearers are able to reshape their<br>
>>>> impressions in ways that are untamed.<br>
>>>> By careful tending of the ?about? and<br>
>>>> ?within,? the rich world of memory and<br>
>>>> story re-wilds.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "The gaps are where the hope of<br>
>>>> systemic transformation is waiting. In<br>
>>>> the Warm Data processes, participants<br>
>>>> are given a structure to re-stitch, to<br>
>>>> re-wild, to begin a new abductive<br>
>>>> process into these gaps. Again, by<br>
>>>> placing the contexts of life<br>
>>>> side-by-side in new configurations,<br>
>>>> the aphanipoietic processes are given<br>
>>>> room, without conscious purpose or<br>
>>>> goals or defined outcomes, without<br>
>>>> scripts or roles or trends ? to allow<br>
>>>> the tender new beginnings of another<br>
>>>> abductive description to form mutually.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Through this work, I have found I<br>
>>>> needed this term to embark on a deeper<br>
>>>> study of the importance of<br>
>>>> aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness<br>
>>>> occurring in the Warm Data processes<br>
>>>> are completely unpredictable and<br>
>>>> profound. They suggest ever more<br>
>>>> vividly that there is a real, if<br>
>>>> unseen, mingling of the body, culture,<br>
>>>> education, family ? and a whole batch<br>
>>>> of transcontextual experience that is<br>
>>>> guiding all other actions. It is to<br>
>>>> this change that I have devoted my<br>
>>>> efforts toward systemic transformation."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Warmly,<br>
>>>> Jeff<br>
>>>> Yelamu / San Francisco<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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Peggy, Chris, Jeff, Michael, Thomas and those others of you interested in<br>
this thread,<br>
I agree that getting the potential guest list right is of greatest<br>
importance, as is the wording of the invitation. The spirit of intent<br>
behind the invitation has great import. In the language I prefer, I say it<br>
must be genuine. People always feel when the spirit of intent and the words<br>
don't match.<br>
<br>
I agree with Jeff in that it is also my experience that there are topics<br>
posted on subsequent days that didn't get posted on the first day, that are<br>
topics people are passionate about yet for whatever reason didn't get them<br>
up onto the agenda wall the first day. I have had more than one occasion in<br>
which the people didn't post the topics that really mattered to them at the<br>
first OST in their organization...instead they watched and felt into the<br>
experience of whether the space that was open for them to post topics was<br>
genuinely open without retribution afterwards about what was said. Then<br>
saying after the first OST that they realized it was genuine and wished<br>
they had posted their topics. I liked it when it was possible for me to say<br>
"not to worry, we are having another OST in a month and you will have the<br>
opportunity to post your topics then"...and they did.<br>
<br>
I am not fond of short OST meetings. I understand the magic of long OST<br>
meetings of multiple days, and of multiple OST meetings in the same<br>
organization....those meetings where everything that wants to be spoken<br>
gets its opportunity, where everything that wants to be listened to gets<br>
heard.<br>
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On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 5:07 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <<br>
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> Like Michael, I have had the experience of leaders making a list behind<br>
> the scenes and being surprised that participants not only posted everything<br>
> on their list but also things that they hadn?t thought of that turned out<br>
> to matter to them. And, of course, the experience of witnessing the<br>
> passion, interest, and creativity of people often surprises everyone who is<br>
> in an Open Space meeting for the first time.<br>
><br>
> Jeff, to your question about requisite variety of topics in an Open Space,<br>
> I see that as a matter of being mindful about invitation. The biggest<br>
> investment of preparation time for the Open Spaces I?m involved with are<br>
> inviting, as Harrison would say, ?the people who care.? Whomever I?m<br>
> working with, I encourage them to do the work of thinking through, given<br>
> their purpose, who makes up the system ? who are the people who care? In<br>
> many cases, that may include involving a microcosm in shaping the<br>
> organizing question and invitation so that it resonates with the people of<br>
> the system.<br>
><br>
> I take my cue on how to think about who makes up the system from Marv<br>
> Weisbord and Sandra Janoff?s rubric of inviting the people who ?ARE IN? ?<br>
> with *A*uthority, *R*esources, *E*xpertise, *I*nformation, and *N*eed. I<br>
> also suggest an overlay for considering demographic diversity. For thinking<br>
> about that, I draw from the Maynard Institute?s ?Fault lines? - race,<br>
> class, gender, geography, and generation and two ?fissures? - politics and<br>
> religion. Not all dimensions apply to every situation but bringing them up<br>
> enables the people planning the Open Space to make a conscious choice about<br>
> whom they invite and how.<br>
><br>
> This is a long-winded way of saying that my experience is that by doing<br>
> the work to invite a requisite variety of people, a requisite variety of<br>
> topics will show up. And then, to the principle of whoever comes is the<br>
> right people, I let go of worrying about it.<br>
><br>
> Birgitt ? to words and embodied experience, yes you are saying what I<br>
> meant: *it is not the words used that are most likely to help, rather the<br>
> embodied experience*. For example, describing the experience of Open<br>
> Space and what it produces can be enough for some. For most of us, hearing<br>
> a description or even seeing a video doesn?t come close to being there. It<br>
> is a multi-dimensional experience that involves, head, heart, body, spirit.<br>
> Rarely does this come across in a description. A story might communicate<br>
> more of it. But I?m guessing most people discover some aspect they hadn?t<br>
> expected from just reading, hearing, or watching a video about it.<br>
><br>
> Appreciatively,<br>
> Peggy<br>
><br>
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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <<br>
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><br>
> Dear Birgitt,<br>
><br>
> your two sentences:<br>
><br>
> "My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the<br>
> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted<br>
> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to<br>
> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than<br>
> abundance of possibilities."<br>
><br>
> had some memories come up.<br>
><br>
> In at least three of the ost events I was involved in it turned out that<br>
> the sponsors prepared a set of "issuse" they felt should be part of the<br>
> event before the event... in case nobody would post them.<br>
> To the surprises of the sponsors all their issues were posted by the<br>
> participants.<br>
> In addition, they themselves experienced that other issues entered their<br>
> mind during the process that they then posted.<br>
> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad<br>
> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that<br>
> manifested...<br>
><br>
> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an<br>
> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system<br>
> of that enterprise have a look here<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the<br>
> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know<br>
><br>
> Cheers from Berlin<br>
> mmp<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:<br>
><br>
> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that emanated<br>
> from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the responses<br>
> and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added more great<br>
> questions.<br>
> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a gathered<br>
> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate<br>
> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen<br>
> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?<br>
> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying topics/contexts<br>
> to invite that fruitful variety?<br>
> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post<br>
> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does<br>
> that limit the potential and health of the system?<br>
> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the<br>
> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted<br>
> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to<br>
> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than<br>
> abundance of possibilities.<br>
> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different<br>
> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like<br>
> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words<br>
> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this<br>
> what you mean?<br>
> in genuine contact,<br>
> Birgitt<br>
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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <<br>
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> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke<br>
> lurking here somewhere.<br>
> The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of<br>
> proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm<br>
> going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."<br>
> But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and<br>
> responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety<br>
> of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme<br>
> question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems<br>
> changing creativity?<br>
> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying<br>
> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?<br>
> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate<br>
> post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get<br>
> posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?<br>
> What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice versa?<br>
> Early morning questions,<br>
> Jeff<br>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList<br>
> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
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> wrote:<br>
> From what I can glean in Bateson?s article and what I have<br>
> heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what<br>
> occurs when people meet in Open Space.<br>
> I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to<br>
> give language to new ideas, it?s rough. The effort falls into a<br>
> pattern she discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the<br>
> ideas through habitual lenses. Sometimes more and different<br>
> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience.<br>
> Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?<br>
> I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing<br>
> towards vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I hope<br>
> it will become more seen. Sounds like something we want to<br>
> notice and grow.<br>
> Thanks for sending the article Jeff.<br>
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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList<br>
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> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for sharing this Jeff. I have known about Nora's work<br>
> for sometime and although I don't fully understand it yet I<br>
> think what I do know of it, it's great.).<br>
><br>
> WHy does she choose the words she chooses? I think because<br>
> this is how she has come to an understanding about the simple<br>
> truths that Warm Data works with. God know we have some pretty<br>
> funny language amongst us all to explain things like "let<br>
> people look after things they care about." But, Jeff, the<br>
> first piece you posted of hers makes a lot of sense to me and<br>
> is a concise description of Warm Data process, and is very<br>
> helpful to me having an "aha" about it.<br>
><br>
> Chris<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList<br>
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> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice<br>
> of a methodology that she invented (I think.)<br>
><br>
> Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks<br>
> were figuring out what the hell this is all about... : )<br>
><br>
> And from the lens of an artist and family therapy<br>
> researcher whose father was Gregory Bateson. That makes<br>
> sense to me...<br>
><br>
> Warmly<br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken<br>
> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves<br>
> practitioners to be simple, while it serves systems<br>
> scientists to be complicated or complex.<br>
><br>
> They are writing about living systems at all scales<br>
> and making very subtle distinctions.<br>
><br>
> It may serve us practitioners to have some<br>
> appreciation for the latter. "Your mileage may vary"<br>
> tho, as a friend says!<br>
><br>
> Warmly<br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams<br>
> <<a href="mailto:birgittwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">birgittwilliams@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:birgittwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">birgittwilliams@gmail.com</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:birgittwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">birgittwilliams@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so<br>
> complicated? Why not simply refer to seen and unseen?<br>
><br>
> Birgitt<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via<br>
> OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> One more email - I was amiss to mention this<br>
> new theory by Nora, without defining the word<br>
> she is introducing, and she finds occurring in<br>
> Warm Data Lab and I think is true in OST too.<br>
><br>
> It is "a way to describe a life giving<br>
> process, by which vitality, healing, and<br>
> creativity come into being by the coalescence<br>
> of multiple unseen factors."<br>
><br>
> "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient<br>
> Greek to describe this way in which life<br>
> coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways.<br>
> (Aphanis comes from a Greek root meaning<br>
> obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from<br>
> one meaning to bring forth, to make.)"<br>
><br>
> Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at<br>
> a systems science conference and in a journal<br>
> article.<br>
><br>
> Useful for practitioners to think about and to<br>
> notice in our work? That's my question for the<br>
> oslist.<br>
><br>
> It reminds me of Harrison's definition of<br>
> "peace" in The Practice of Peace. With an<br>
> emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle<br>
> shifts that take place that are NOT reflected<br>
> in proceedings and action plans.<br>
><br>
> Warmly, Jeff.<br>
><br>
> Reference:<br>
><br>
> Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal<br>
> of the International Society for the Systems<br>
> Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual<br>
> Meeting of the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, ?1) ?<br>
> under review.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> This work was presented at the Annual<br>
> Biosemiotics Conference June 2021, the Annual<br>
> Conference of the International Society of<br>
> Systems Sciences July 2021, and the Annual<br>
> conference of the Institute of General<br>
> Semantics September 2021.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken<br>
> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> As a refresher or quick intro to the<br>
> process, Warm Data Lab starts with a group<br>
> of folks and a theme question. But the<br>
> topics of conversation are chosen in<br>
> advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each<br>
> breakout table (or area) gets a topic<br>
> written on a sign: which names a context<br>
> from which to address the theme question.<br>
><br>
> So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen<br>
> wide variety of contexts might be:<br>
> education, prisons, public health,<br>
> initiation, addiction, pharmaceuticals,<br>
> parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the<br>
> breakouts of their choice and stay or move<br>
> as they wish. The law of mobility is used.<br>
> A closing circle might end the event after<br>
> some number of hours.<br>
><br>
> It has some qualities of OST and World<br>
> Cafe while being different.<br>
><br>
> I've only been in one WDL so other folks<br>
> might improve my description.<br>
><br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken<br>
> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Where does systemic change take place?<br>
> I am reflecting on earlier posts about<br>
> the Warm Data Lab and comparing -<br>
> contrasting this work with other<br>
> hosted conversation processes like OST.<br>
><br>
> What seems different - please correct<br>
> this if it's wrong - is the level of<br>
> attention paid to the complex ways in<br>
> which WDL might help bring about<br>
> change. Looking well beyond action<br>
> plans and carefully harvested<br>
> proceedings etc.<br>
><br>
> This may be a fruitful area of inquiry<br>
> for OST folks. (The subject line here<br>
> is from a reference in a book by Nora<br>
> Bateson's late father Gregory.)<br>
><br>
> Nora Bateson just shared a video and<br>
> long essay, coming out prior to her<br>
> essay being published soon in a<br>
> journal. She is introducing a new term<br>
> "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of<br>
> systemic transformation.<br>
><br>
> The essay is here:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc</a><br>
> <<br>
> <a href="https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc</a>><br>
><br>
> Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can<br>
> this also be said about OST, but we<br>
> just don't??<br>
><br>
> "Rewilding the Interior<br>
><br>
><br>
> In the words of the Warm Data hosting<br>
> theory, we tend the ?about? so that<br>
> what is re-configured is in the<br>
> ?within.? It does not really matter<br>
> what people talk ?about? in a Warm<br>
> Data Lab. There is nothing to capture<br>
> at that level. What matters is the way<br>
> the participants are internally sewing<br>
> together the different conversations<br>
> and contexts. On a transcript this<br>
> information is inaccessible.<br>
><br>
> "In the Warm Data processes,<br>
> communication in explicit form is not<br>
> held to be the communication of<br>
> interest. That level of conversation<br>
> is there as a skeleton, onto which the<br>
> stories not told reshape the person<br>
> who did not tell them, the alterations<br>
> in tone, the re-tilted perception is<br>
> given free rein to rub memories and<br>
> stories against each other. One<br>
> comment that comes up repeatedly is,<br>
> ?Your story changed my story.? Through<br>
> this ?side-by-side-ing,? stories told<br>
> change stories almost told, and their<br>
> bearers are able to reshape their<br>
> impressions in ways that are untamed.<br>
> By careful tending of the ?about? and<br>
> ?within,? the rich world of memory and<br>
> story re-wilds.<br>
><br>
><br>
> "The gaps are where the hope of<br>
> systemic transformation is waiting. In<br>
> the Warm Data processes, participants<br>
> are given a structure to re-stitch, to<br>
> re-wild, to begin a new abductive<br>
> process into these gaps. Again, by<br>
> placing the contexts of life<br>
> side-by-side in new configurations,<br>
> the aphanipoietic processes are given<br>
> room, without conscious purpose or<br>
> goals or defined outcomes, without<br>
> scripts or roles or trends ? to allow<br>
> the tender new beginnings of another<br>
> abductive description to form mutually.<br>
><br>
> "Through this work, I have found I<br>
> needed this term to embark on a deeper<br>
> study of the importance of<br>
> aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness<br>
> occurring in the Warm Data processes<br>
> are completely unpredictable and<br>
> profound. They suggest ever more<br>
> vividly that there is a real, if<br>
> unseen, mingling of the body, culture,<br>
> education, family ? and a whole batch<br>
> of transcontextual experience that is<br>
> guiding all other actions. It is to<br>
> this change that I have devoted my<br>
> efforts toward systemic transformation."<br>
><br>
> Warmly,<br>
> Jeff<br>
> Yelamu / San Francisco<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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