<div><div dir="auto">Harold Shinsato: Harrison’s challenge: what are the questions we haven’t answered</div></div><div><div dir="auto">yet?</div><div dir="auto">Here are two that stir me:</div><div dir="auto">1. What is “radical”opening space? </div><div dir="auto">2. Sharing Lived experience: Documenting the essential elements and patterns of behavior in an open space organization? </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 5:21 AM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. This list serve is antiquated big time (Mark Carmel)<br>
2. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in<br>
my Mach Mail programme (Michael Herman)<br>
3. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in<br>
my Mach Mail programme (doug)<br>
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my Mach Mail programme (Michael M Pannwitz)<br>
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my Mach Mail programme (Thomas Herrmann)<br>
6. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in<br>
my Mach Mail programme (gerardo de luzenberger)<br>
7. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Harold Shinsato)<br>
8. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Rolf F. Katzenberger)<br>
9. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Birgitt Williams)<br>
10. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in<br>
my Mach Mail programme (Harold Shinsato)<br>
11. Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did today? They<br>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:15:13 -0700<br>
From: Mark Carmel <<a href="mailto:markacarmel@gmail.com" target="_blank">markacarmel@gmail.com</a>><br>
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It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform<br>
started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch<br>
up with a workable format. This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for<br>
your consideration,<br>
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holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.<br>
expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!<br>
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <<br>
<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi Romy, Anne,<br>
><br>
> I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that<br>
> if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage your<br>
> subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten<br>
> it.<br>
><br>
> I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the<br>
> "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know<br>
> when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will<br>
> not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to write<br>
> another group email program to fix that.<br>
><br>
> Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on threads<br>
> for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by conversations,<br>
> as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan<br>
> Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single<br>
> email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming.<br>
><br>
> Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active<br>
> moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to<br>
> requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is a<br>
> big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest<br>
> version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will<br>
> solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of<br>
> the other needs.<br>
><br>
> Harold<br>
><br>
> On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello Harold,<br>
><br>
> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who<br>
> is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with us<br>
> once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.<br>
><br>
> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST<br>
> arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this list<br>
> with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff?<br>
> making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.<br>
><br>
> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in<br>
> wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular<br>
> posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather<br>
> than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST<br>
> in the way that Suzanne does.<br>
><br>
> Do you have any clues about what I might do?<br>
><br>
> Thanks again SO much<br>
><br>
> Romy<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Romy Shovelton*<br>
><br>
> *Executive Director*<br>
> *Wikima* and the<br>
> *5* Tyddyn Retreat Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages*<br>
><br>
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> Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat<br>
> Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat<br>
> Instagram: tyddynretreat<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:romy.shovelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">romy.shovelton@gmail.com</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:romy@walescottageandvenue.com" target="_blank">romy@walescottageandvenue.com</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:romy@wikima.com" target="_blank">romy@wikima.com</a><br>
> skype: romy shovelton<br>
><br>
> +44 (0) 7767 370739<br>
> +44 (0) 1686 420725<br>
><br>
> Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno<br>
> Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU<br>
><br>
> Begin forwarded message:<br>
><br>
> *From: *<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
> *Subject: **OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29*<br>
> *Date: *25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT<br>
> *To: *<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
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> Today's Topics:<br>
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> 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)<br>
> 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It<br>
> Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)<br>
> 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It<br>
> Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)<br>
> 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Harold Shinsato<br>
> <a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
> <a href="https://shinsato.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://shinsato.com</a><br>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:52:21 -0500<br>
From: doug <<a href="mailto:ost@footprintsinthewind.com" target="_blank">ost@footprintsinthewind.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it<br>
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Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person <br>
(Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space <br>
Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay <br>
for it, so everyone can use it for free.<br>
<br>
:- Doug.<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:<br>
> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps. <br>
> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> <br>
> Michael Herman<br>
> Michael Herman Associates<br>
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>
> <br>
> MichaelHerman.com <<a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a>><br>
> OpenSpaceWorld.org <<a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <br>
> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> <br>
> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Romy, Anne,<br>
> <br>
> I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change<br>
> that if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and<br>
> manage your subscription. You might need to reset your password if<br>
> you have forgotten it.<br>
> <br>
> I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the<br>
> "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to<br>
> know when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest<br>
> format will not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have<br>
> the capacity to write another group email program to fix that.<br>
> <br>
> Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on<br>
> threads for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by<br>
> conversations, as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you<br>
> use the GNU MailMan Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of<br>
> OSList emails into a single email. And you can't change how MailMan<br>
> does the jamming.<br>
> <br>
> Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an<br>
> active moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply<br>
> quickly to requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many<br>
> apologies! There is a big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList<br>
> to upgrade us to the latest version which should solve several<br>
> problems, though I don't think it will solve the "Digest" problem.<br>
> I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of the other needs.<br>
> <br>
> ??? Harold<br>
> <br>
> On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:<br>
>> Hello Harold,<br>
>><br>
>> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The<br>
>> person who is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the<br>
>> OSLIST? and with us once again, helping with all sorts of<br>
>> technical magic. Thanks again.<br>
>><br>
>> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the<br>
>> OSLIST arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I<br>
>> receive this list with duplicates of conversations through it +<br>
>> lots of other general stuff? making it hard to pick out the thread<br>
>> of a conversation.<br>
>><br>
>> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account -<br>
>> in wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a<br>
>> particular posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging<br>
>> into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately<br>
>> did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne does.<br>
>><br>
>> Do you have any clues about what I might do?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks again SO much<br>
>><br>
>> Romy<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *Romy Shovelton*<br>
>><br>
>> *Executive Director*<br>
>> *Wikima*?and the *5* Tyddyn Retreat<br>
>> Mid Wales Venue & Holiday?Cottages*<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.wikima.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.wikima.com</a> <<a href="http://www.wikima.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.wikima.com</a>><br>
>> *<a href="http://www.walescottageandvenue.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.walescottageandvenue.com</a> <<a href="http://www.walescottageandvenue.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.walescottageandvenue.com</a>>*<br>
>> Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat<br>
>> Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat<br>
>> Instagram: tyddynretreat<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:romy.shovelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">romy.shovelton@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:romy.shovelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">romy.shovelton@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:romy@walescottageandvenue.com" target="_blank">romy@walescottageandvenue.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:romy@walescottageandvenue.com" target="_blank">romy@walescottageandvenue.com</a>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:romy@wikima.com" target="_blank">romy@wikima.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:romy@wikima.com" target="_blank">romy@wikima.com</a>><br>
>> skype: romy shovelton<br>
>><br>
>> +44 (0) 7767 370739<br>
>> +44 (0) 1686 420725<br>
>><br>
>> Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno<br>
>> Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU<br>
>><br>
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>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
>>> *Subject: **OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29*<br>
>>> *Date: *25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT<br>
>>> *To: *<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
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>>><br>
>>> ??1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)<br>
>>> ??2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It<br>
>>> ?????Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)<br>
>>> ??3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It<br>
>>> ?????Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)<br>
>>> ??4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Harold Shinsato<br>
> <a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a>><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 09:55:49 +0100<br>
From: Michael M Pannwitz <<a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: doug via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it<br>
arrives in my Mach Mail programme<br>
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Dear Doug,<br>
<br>
just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former <br>
President of the USA.<br>
<br>
Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open <br>
Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to <br>
see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.<br>
Here is the PayPal transfer note<br>
<br>
"Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!<br>
PayPal<br>
Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US) <br>
(<a href="mailto:info@osius.org" target="_blank">info@osius.org</a>) gesendet"<br>
<br>
For those of you who forgot their highschool German:<br>
<br>
"Hello Michael M Pannwitz!<br>
PayPal<br>
You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US) <br>
(<a href="mailto:info@osius.org" target="_blank">info@osius.org</a>) "<br>
<br>
Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here<br>
> <a href="https://osius.org/content/about" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://osius.org/content/about</a><br>
<br>
scroll down a bit and look right.<br>
<br>
If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks <br>
to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00 <br>
(tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at <br>
OSI USA want to use it.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.<br>
Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space <br>
World Map.<br>
In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way, <br>
contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being <br>
listed in the Map)<br>
Just go here<br>
> <a href="https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion</a><br>
<br>
Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine <br>
World Map I expect responses galore. Now.<br>
<br>
mmp<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:<br>
> Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person<br>
> (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space<br>
> Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay<br>
> for it, so everyone can use it for free.<br>
><br>
> :- Doug.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:<br>
>> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.<br>
>> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Michael Herman<br>
>> Michael Herman Associates<br>
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Michael M Pannwitz<br>
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin<br>
++49 - 30-772 8000 <a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in <br>
Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren <br>
arbeiten.<br>
Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten.<br>
Mal reinschauen: <a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a><br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:36:50 +0000<br>
From: Thomas Herrmann <<a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com" target="_blank">thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it<br>
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I have created a separate folder for list emails, this stops my inbox from being crammed but of makes a risk of not being ?there? present all the time ?<br>
Hugs to you all open spacers<br>
Thomas<br>
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Fr?n: OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> F?r Harold Shinsato via OSList<br>
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?mne: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme<br>
<br>
Hi Romy, Anne,<br>
<br>
I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage your subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten it.<br>
<br>
I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to write another group email program to fix that.<br>
<br>
Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on threads for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by conversations, as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming.<br>
<br>
Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is a big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of the other needs.<br>
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Harold<br>
On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:<br>
Hello Harold,<br>
<br>
It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with us once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.<br>
<br>
I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this list with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff? making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.<br>
<br>
Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne does.<br>
<br>
Do you have any clues about what I might do?<br>
<br>
Thanks again SO much<br>
<br>
Romy<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:15:14 +0100<br>
From: gerardo de luzenberger <<a href="mailto:xdeluz@gmail.com" target="_blank">xdeluz@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.<br>
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Dear Doug,<br>
<br>
having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,<br>
I have donated only 30 dollars.<br>
Thanks so much for this precious service<br>
all the best<br>
ge<br>
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Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <<br>
<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> ha scritto:<br>
<br>
> Dear Doug,<br>
><br>
> just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former<br>
> President of the USA.<br>
><br>
> Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open<br>
> Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to<br>
> see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.<br>
> Here is the PayPal transfer note<br>
><br>
> "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!<br>
> PayPal<br>
> Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)<br>
> (<a href="mailto:info@osius.org" target="_blank">info@osius.org</a>) gesendet"<br>
><br>
> For those of you who forgot their highschool German:<br>
><br>
> "Hello Michael M Pannwitz!<br>
> PayPal<br>
> You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US)<br>
> (<a href="mailto:info@osius.org" target="_blank">info@osius.org</a>) "<br>
><br>
> Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here<br>
> > <a href="https://osius.org/content/about" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://osius.org/content/about</a><br>
><br>
> scroll down a bit and look right.<br>
><br>
> If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks<br>
> to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00<br>
> (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at<br>
> OSI USA want to use it.<br>
><br>
> Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.<br>
> Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space<br>
> World Map.<br>
> In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way,<br>
> contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being<br>
> listed in the Map)<br>
> Just go here<br>
> > <a href="https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion</a><br>
><br>
> Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine<br>
> World Map I expect responses galore. Now.<br>
><br>
> mmp<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:<br>
> > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person<br>
> > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space<br>
> > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay<br>
> > for it, so everyone can use it for free.<br>
> ><br>
> > :- Doug.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:<br>
> >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.<br>
> >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >><br>
> >> Michael Herman<br>
> >> Michael Herman Associates<br>
> >> 312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Michael M Pannwitz<br>
> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin<br>
> ++49 - 30-772 8000 <a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in<br>
> Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren<br>
> arbeiten.<br>
> Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten.<br>
> Mal reinschauen: <a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a><br>
><br>
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> Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige.<br>
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From: Harold Shinsato <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time<br>
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Hi Mark,<br>
<br>
The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open <br>
source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service <br>
is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting <br>
service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a <br>
great company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.<br>
<br>
I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not <br>
something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost <br>
servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or <br>
"when the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for <br>
truth, but I don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially <br>
with falsehoods. Here are the facts.<br>
<br>
1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the <br>
real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many <br>
others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the <br>
1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.<br>
<br>
2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August <br>
2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it <br>
just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). <br>
which has a more modern interface.<br>
<br>
3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look <br>
very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their <br>
own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download <br>
an app to their phones, etc.<br>
<br>
4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups, <br>
Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community <br>
standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that <br>
is appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we <br>
can stay independent.<br>
<br>
Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for <br>
multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting <br>
(which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I <br>
don't think you are being fair or accurate.<br>
<br>
??? Harold<br>
<br>
On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br>
> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform <br>
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's <br>
> catch up with a workable format.? This is in need of a major upgrade. <br>
> Thanks for your consideration,<br>
> Mark Carmel<br>
><br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 16:33:51 +0100<br>
From: "Rolf F. Katzenberger" <<a href="mailto:rolf.katzenberger@gmx.net" target="_blank">rolf.katzenberger@gmx.net</a>><br>
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Harold,<br>
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Thank you for your efforts and thank you for preferring an open,<br>
independent standard over a walled garden.<br>
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Harold Shinsato via OSList schrieb am 28.01.21 um 16:24:<br>
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to<br>
> look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to<br>
> use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a<br>
> website, download an app to their phones, etc.<br>
<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:40:28 -0500<br>
From: Birgitt Williams <<a href="mailto:birgitt@dalarinternational.com" target="_blank">birgitt@dalarinternational.com</a>><br>
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Thank you Harold,<br>
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the<br>
independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that<br>
supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to<br>
those who preceded you.<br>
<br>
A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow<br>
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives<br>
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posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I<br>
may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what<br>
has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.<br>
<br>
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <<br>
<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi Mark,<br>
><br>
> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open<br>
> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is<br>
> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting<br>
> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great<br>
> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.<br>
><br>
> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not<br>
> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost<br>
> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when<br>
> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I<br>
> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.<br>
> Here are the facts.<br>
><br>
> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the<br>
> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many<br>
> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.<br>
> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.<br>
><br>
> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.<br>
> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just<br>
> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has<br>
> a more modern interface.<br>
><br>
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look<br>
> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their<br>
> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an<br>
> app to their phones, etc.<br>
><br>
> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,<br>
> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community<br>
> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is<br>
> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay<br>
> independent.<br>
><br>
> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for<br>
> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I<br>
> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you<br>
> are being fair or accurate.<br>
><br>
> Harold<br>
><br>
> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br>
><br>
> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform<br>
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch<br>
> up with a workable format. This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for<br>
> your consideration,<br>
> Mark Carmel<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Harold Shinsato<br>
> <a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:41:48 -0700<br>
From: Harold Shinsato <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a>><br>
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Thank you for the donation requests and the generous donations that have <br>
come in!<br>
<br>
The Open Space Institute U.S. actually has a decent funding base right <br>
now. I serve as the treasurer as well as the "webmaster", and the board <br>
is working on a way to hold space for open space with the funds we have.<br>
<br>
I personally will not accept any money for my volunteer work. My rewards <br>
from being involved with this community have been profuse, powerful and <br>
profound. I'm grateful for the capacity to support Open Space in this <br>
way. Even if it's not always smooth. Technology has a way of getting in <br>
the way sometimes more often than it provides a way. Ideally, this tech <br>
stuff would all be invisible.<br>
<br>
I was happy and grateful to put in the effort to migrate the OSList from <br>
the LISTSERV platform when it stopped being free back in the spring of <br>
2011. It was looking like it would have cost over a $1000 US annual back <br>
then.<br>
<br>
What can you, members of the OSList, do to support us?<br>
<br>
I'll ask that at the next board meeting, but I'll speak from my own <br>
heart and with my own opinion.<br>
<br>
Think about the question Harrison Owen proposed in January of 2020 in <br>
his morning talks to use in New York City when we could still meet in <br>
person. This question was also the heart of the online Opening Space for <br>
Peace and High Performance from a few days ago.<br>
<br>
<br>
?How do we engage 8 billion people in meaningful conversation??<br>
<br>
Harrison thrilled us with another question a few days ago at that same <br>
event. I will paraphrase.<br>
*<br>
**What are the critical questions that have no answer?*<br>
<br>
??? Harold<br>
<br>
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On 1/28/21 5:15 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList wrote:<br>
> Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.<br>
><br>
> Dear Doug,<br>
><br>
> having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,<br>
> I have donated only 30 dollars.<br>
> Thanks so much for this precious service<br>
> all the best<br>
> ge<br>
><br>
> **<br>
><br>
><br>
> Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <br>
> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> ha scritto:<br>
><br>
> Dear Doug,<br>
><br>
> just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former<br>
> President of the USA.<br>
><br>
> Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the<br>
> Open<br>
> Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would<br>
> love to<br>
> see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in<br>
> Montana.<br>
> Here is the PayPal transfer note<br>
><br>
> "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!<br>
> PayPal<br>
> Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)<br>
> (<a href="mailto:info@osius.org" target="_blank">info@osius.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@osius.org" target="_blank">info@osius.org</a>>) gesendet"<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
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