<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you Harold,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to those who preceded you.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>. Every post gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">in genuine contact,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Birgitt</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><img src="https://www.google.com/s2/u/0/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCPPYmZG55I3fFSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc2MmI2YjI3ZmUxMTlmMjA3YmM0ZjE3YzM3MWNmMjE1YjdhN2ExNGUwAdXO95TkkrhaiNp5B1BTw_BLAzaq" alt="Picture"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b><br></b></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>Birgitt Williams</b></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants </b></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.</b></span></div><div><a href="http://www.dalarinternational.com" target="_blank">www.dalarinternational.com</a> </div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><div><a href="http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">>> Learn More & Register</a> for any of our upcoming workshops here.</div><div><br></div></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1JasXHRKxGtUQC72ySjjudKcQqLzp0c0n&revid=0B_EYga0qclsEWTBRZlNWaFdEMUE2Y1dTK1pySlNKZmgwMlZzPQ" width="420" height="105"><br><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"></div></div><div>PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613</div><div>Phone: 01-919-522-7750<br></div><div><a href="https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=6677c35b38&e=e7zyhHfiqG" style="color:rgb(39,170,225);font-weight:bold;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px" target="_blank">Like us on Facebook</a><font face="Arial, sans-serif" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:15px"> </font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><a href="https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f&id=c26173f86b&e=e7zyhHfiqG" style="color:rgb(39,170,225);font-weight:bold;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px" target="_blank">Connect on LinkedIn</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px"> </span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Mark,<br>
<br>
The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an
open source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan
service is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides
free webhosting service to the Open Space Institute - U.S.
DreamHost.com has been a great company, and they offer free
webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.<br>
<br>
I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the
DreamHost servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the
"stone ages", or "when the internet was first invented". I treasure
your passion for truth, but I don't like being disrespected or
dishonored, especially with falsehoods. Here are the facts.<br>
<br>
1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but
the real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of
many others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in
the 1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.<br>
<br>
2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August
2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But
it just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6,
2020). which has a more modern interface.<br>
<br>
3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to
look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to
use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a
website, download an app to their phones, etc.<br>
<br>
4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like
GoogleGroups, Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their
own community standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I
don't think that is appropriate for the main Open Space online
conversation. I hope we can stay independent.<br>
<br>
Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting
(which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I
don't think you are being fair or accurate.<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via
OSList wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When
was this platform started? When the internet was first invented?
Come on folks, let's catch up with a workable format. This is
in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for your consideration,
<div dir="auto">Mark Carmel</div>
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<div>-- <br>
Harold Shinsato<br>
<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
<a href="https://shinsato.com" target="_blank">https://shinsato.com</a><br>
twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/hajush" target="_blank">@hajush</a>
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