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Hi Glenn,<br>
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Thanks for what you noticed. It's not clear how to fix these issues.
Aggressive spam policies used by many email companies has hampered
more and more legitimate communication, and not just for the OSList.
When a message bounces, you get a reason (if you know how to look).
When a message is filed in Spam, there's no help. No clarification
from the email companies. Many people complain about this on online
forums, especially against GMail. For this reason (and many others)
I am getting off GMail.<br>
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I've not understood why my own emails are often filed in people's
spam inbasket or not even delivered. It gets worse for many
distribution lists.<br>
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The Open Space Institute - U.S. has been hosting the OSList and the
domain. Since don't host a website at openspacetech.org, an SSL
certificate didn't seem relevant. The domain just redirects to
osius.org, which as you noticed has a valid certificate.<br>
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I've just added an SSL cert for openspacetech.org to see if that
helps. If it does, it will probably take at least a few days.<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/20 9:55 AM, Glenn Waters via
OSList wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I'm guessing that messages are treated as spam is
because the SSL certificate for the domain used on the mailing
list is invalid. See here...
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=openspacetech.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=openspacetech.org</a></span><br>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The
domain </span><font face="sans-serif"><a
href="https://osius.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://osius.org/</a>
which is the redirect does appear to have a valid
certificate. </font></div>
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Glenn <br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">______<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri., Oct. 9, 2020, 12:48
Michael Herman via OSList, <<a
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">hello sylwia, gmail was treating the oslist
badly, calling it spam. still is, as far as i can tell, so
i'm surprised you've gotten messages lately. the trick is
to create a filter in your gmail account and force it to
call it 'not spam' when it comes in. michael
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--<br>
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Michael Herman<br>
Michael Herman Associates</div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">312-280-7838
(mobile)</span><br
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<div><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">MichaelHerman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">OpenSpaceWorld.org</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at
2:08 AM Sylwia Myszka-Szyszka via OSList <<a
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Hi Lucas, hi
Everyone, </div>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">for some reason
I don't seem to have any emails from this mailing list
from between 3 June and 3 September...</div>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Could you give
me a short update on what is happening with the online
WOSonOS? Did it already take place or is coming soon?
How can I join, etc?<br>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Many thanks!</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Sylwia</div>
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color="#000000"><b>Sylwia
Myszka-Szyszka</b></font></p>
<p><font size="1"
face="tahoma,
sans-serif"
color="#666666">Open
Space Facilitator |
Trainer </font></p>
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<p><a
href="mailto:sylvia.myszka@gmail.com"
style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:x-small"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
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size="1" face="tahoma,
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color="#444444"><a
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48 577 804 500</a> </font><span
style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">| <a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/sylwia-myszka/30/53a/2a"
style="color:rgb(17,85,204)"
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rel="noreferrer"
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<p><b><font size="1"
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strongly recommend:</font></b></p>
<p><font size="1"
face="tahoma,
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style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">-
<a
href="http://osobyzasoby.pl/2014/12/open-space-technology-metoda-pracy-z-duzymi-grupami-i-calymi-systemami/"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">My article</a> </b><font color="#666666">about <b>Open
Space Technology</b></font></font></font></p>
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face="tahoma,
sans-serif"><font><b
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">-
<a
href="http://www.hrpolska.pl/newsy/hr-wywiad/open-space-technology-metoda-pracy-z-grupami.html"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Interview</a> </b><font color="#666666">where I
talk about <b>OST</b></font><b
style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </b></font></font></p>
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18:59 Lucas Cioffi via OSList <<a
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napisał(a):<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,</div>
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<div>Four weeks ago we heard from our colleagues in
Germany that unfortunately and understandably the
2020 in-person gathering cannot happen this year
(their original message is at the bottom of this
email).</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Then Mark Carmel started a thread 12
days ago: "How about we have a global OST
facilitated by HHO with invites to all on this
list serve?"<br>
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<b>I propose that we can all participate in the
planning process for an online World Open Space on
Open Space (WOSonOS) this year</b>...
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<div><b>First we'll need a compelling invitation.</b>
On this <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1coMZo2E_PrhBD2H2N6SYBi1zSTtGoLWF7fnI5_DAAr8/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Google doc</a> you will
find 10 empty spaces where anyone can write a
rough draft of an invitation. You can also add
comments to other people’s invitations in the
comment section for each invitation. If you
would prefer to not use Google docs, please feel
free to reply to this email with your draft
invitation.</div>
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<li>Action Item: So if you find yourself sitting
down for coffee one morning with a clear mind
and thinking about why it is important to
bring OS facilitators from across the world
together at this moment, please share those
thoughts as an invitation on that page.</li>
</ul>
<div><b>Second we'll need a place to host the
event.</b> If we get 25 (or more) people to
offer their Zoom accounts, then we can have 25
(or more) breakout spaces for free. We can use
a tool I've built (QiqoChat) to make it easy for
people to jump between the Zoom meetings, but
people can use Zoom directly if they prefer.</div>
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<ul>
<li>Action Item: Please add your name to the
Google doc (link is above) if you have a
Zoom pro account and would like to share it
for this online WOSonOS. </li>
</ul>
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<div><b>When should we do it?</b> I propose that
once we complete the invitation, we schedule it
with three week's advance notice.</div>
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<div><b>How much should it cost?</b> I propose
that it should be free with a recommended
donation of $X to organizations near where you
live (for example the <a
href="https://osius.org/" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">Open
Space Institute</a> if you live in the US).
This way we can use the event to build our
network's capacity.</div>
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NY</div>
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4, 2020 at 2:12 PM Jo Toepfer via OSList
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"> </font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2">Dear
OS Community worldwide!</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"> <span
lang="en-GB"><i>Whatever happens
is the only thing that could
have… </i></span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB">We hereby inform you
– with regret, let’s say it ones
before we look forward – that we
decided to stop the preparation of
the </span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB">WOSonOS</span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB"> 2020 planned to be
held October 29 through 31, 2020.</span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2">After
a careful review of the current
circumstances and the possible
developments of the COVID-19
pandemia we came to the conclusion
that we can not held the event as
planned. At the moment it would be
unrealistic to conduct the event in
a face-to-face format in fall 2020
here in Berlin. We as the sponsor
and all those who want to
participate and would have to book
their trip in advance would be left
with the cancellation costs.</font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB">The alternative
option to hold the WOSonOS as an
online event instead is clearly
not our choice. For us this would
be a different meeting than the
one we are entrusted with, and we
have no passion to do it online.</span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2">The
ones who already registered, 43
participants from Iceland, France,
Canada, Netherlands, UK, Belgium,
Sweden, US, Italy, Spain, Malaysia,
Switzerland and Germany, are already
informed personally and their
participation fees will be fully
refunded. </font></font> </p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"> </font></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB"><b>Next steps:</b></span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB"> We are currently
checking the option to postpone
the WOSonOS to 2021. Therefore it
would be helpful to know whether a
designated team for 2021 already
exists? If so, please contact us
and we will figure out where the
next </span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB">WOSonOS will take
place. Our preparations are on a
hold – and </span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB"><i><b>whenever the
time is right</b></i></span></font></font><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB"> we (and the venue
manager) are ready to invite you
to Berlin. It is still a wonderful
place to get in touch in Open
Space on Open Space and we
appreciate the opportunity to host
it whenever it starts. </span></font></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span
lang="en-GB">Take good care and
stay well,</span></font></font></p>
<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font
style="font-size:11pt" size="2">Dietmar,
Jo, Julia, Juliane - WOSonOS sponsor
team</font></font><font face="Arial,
sans-serif"><font style="font-size:11pt"
size="2"><br>
boscop and reinblau cooperatives,
berlin </font></font>
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Tel: +49-(0)30-42018000
Mob: +49-(0)176-22394083
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28th World Open Space on Open Space
2020 in Berlin<br>
The worldwide Open Space community
will meet from Oct 29 through 31,
2020 in Berlin<br>
</a><a
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