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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=en-SE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Wow Tonnie, thanks for sharing. (this post is for online neards </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>😊</span><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I am giving trainings about online facilitation, normally in Zoom or QiqoChat but on occasions also on Teams. I have used the “channels” as breakouts – I assume you do too? I give a simple instruction for how to enter a breakout and then the first person starts a videomeeting in that breakout. Do you know if I can prepare so there is a videomeeting already there that people can enter. I thought they disappear when no one is in it? So is it the link to a videomeeting in a different room that you share? That would of course mean that the video meeting is there, so no one of the participants needs to start one. It can create confusion if several persons start a videomeeting in the same breakout (channel) then the group can be accidentally divided into two or even more… </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>😊</span><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I haven’t done an OST meeting in Teams yet, but might try it soon! I do have a client who will do it in 2 weeks, so she’ll be interested. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have used OneNote in Teams (under files, next to the wiki when you are in a breakout. I assume it would work nice to have the agenda wall there too. Is Stormboard integrated into Teams when you use it? Or else I guess it must mean another window is open for that space.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’d be happy to learn more in detail how you do it, so if you have anything to send me that helps my understanding I’d appreciate!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Curious<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Virtual hugs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PS – on the previous discussion, since Sept 21 you can choose to let your participants move from their own choice between rooms in Zoom! Everyone needs to have an updated account.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=SV>Från:</span></b><span lang=SV> OSList <oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org> <b>För </b>Tonnie van der Zouwen via OSList<br><b>Skickat:</b> Friday, 11 September 2020 09:28<br><b>Till:</b> 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br><b>Kopia:</b> Tonnie van der Zouwen <info@tonnievanderzouwen.nl><br><b>Ämne:</b> [OSList] FW: Looking for "butterfly" ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL></span><span lang=EN-GB>This also works well using Microsoft Teams. </span><span lang=NL>We prepare a ‘ticket’, just as when you register for a festival, with a link to a Teams meeting in the main room and a link for a meeting in every breakout room. The main room also serves as butterfly space during sessions. We send the ticket to all participants in advance, with some simple directions for how to use them, and also put the ticket with all links in the chat of the main room and on a digital wall, e.g. Stormboard. This wall can also be used for displaying posters with the rules and law of two feet, for agenda setting and as News wall with all the reports. A wall with unlimited size. Thing is that all participants have to make an account to be able to work on this wall. Just invite them to do this before the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Using two screens allows for seeing the session and working on the wall. If you have only one screen: use ‘split windows’, and you get the same effect, only a bit smaller.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Tip: When you make an account on stormboard.com, select ‘account for education’. Otherwise you have to pay something like 8 dollars per month per participant of a board. An account for education is free (I think until June 2021).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>You only need 1 acount for Teams and participants can walk in and out breakout rooms Since using Zoom is not allowed in many organizations, this is a good solution. Only disadvantage is that you can see only 9 people at the same time. For most subsessions this will be enough though, and it is also less tiring not seeing 100 faces or more on a screen in the main room. Walking the circle is still possible, by passing the mic to every participant on the list, or by asking to raise hands for the mic.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Tonnie van der Zouwen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><a href="mailto:Info@tonnievanderzouwen.nl">Info@tonnievanderzouwen.nl</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><a href="http://Www.tonnievanderzouwen.com">Www.tonnievanderzouwen.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL>Op 11 sep. 2020 om 02:40 heeft Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> het volgende geschreven:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> Mark Sheffield and I simply make 1 link per room, people click that link to go to the next room. You need 10 accounts if you have 10 rooms since Zoom accounts only allow 1 meeting at a time. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Everyone has Zoom accounts and if they are attending YOUR event they will not be using their account then, so you can borrow it from then. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Worst case, you spend $14.95 X 10 for 10 "rooms", 1 per account.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>The open source doc here explains that approach: full-on Open Space under Zoom: with ability to move about....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Here it is: scroll to the bottom....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><a href="https://openleadershipnetwork.com/onprogress/">https://openleadershipnetwork.com/onprogress/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>On Sep 10, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Patrick Schley via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='color:#1F497D'>In larger Zoom OST sessions where you can’t make everyone a co-host, we have asked people to add the room number they want to go to at the front of their Zoom name. We have one or two “Zoom pilots” who scan the participant list and make breakout room assignments once the marketplace opens. Then to move between rooms you just have to come back to the main room and ask one of the pilots to switch you. 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Kapono via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Eric M. Kapono <<a href="mailto:kapono@advancementservices.org">kapono@advancementservices.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [OSList] Looking for "butterfly" ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Another alternative I learned (probably from the great<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://bit.ly/2X6ctaG">DC Liberating Structures</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>group) is in Zoom making everyone a Host.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>This gives everyone the ability to move between breakouts. It is a little tedious because the original Host must go through the Participant list and one-by-one make each person a Host, but if your partner is Opening Circle, then you can do this in the background. When sessions are posted, folks then select the appropriate breakout to join (just like a Host). To use their two feet, they leave the breakout room, end up in the main room, then butterfly or bumble bee. The caveat here is to not select “Leave Meeting” because you’ll be taken out of Zoom have to click back in; just click “Leave Room”. I’ve only tried it this one time and it seemed to work well. First-time Zoom users would need some instructions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>~Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=NL> </span></span><span lang=NL>OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Daniel Mezick via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:32 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Daniel Mezick <<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net">dan@newtechusa.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [OSList] Looking for "butterfly" ideas<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Mark Sheffield and I have published an open-sourced Checklist and Guide for online OST. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Here it is: scroll to the bottom....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><a href="https://openleadershipnetwork.com/onprogress/">https://openleadershipnetwork.com/onprogress/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>In the online OST design, we use plain old Zoom accounts, one per room and define Lobby, Hallway, Lounge, and people use these to hang around and chat with others who congregate there. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>We also stay put in the big room after the Open to handle questions and welcome strays...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>....and people come and go to/from there and often hang for a while, sometimes people have beverages with them. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>I hope this helps you out a little bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>-Daniel <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>On Sep 9, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Glenn Waters via OSList <<a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Play4Agile Global, a collaboration of three Play4Agile OS Conferences that used to be held in person, is holding our first online conference Oct 3-4. While a number of us have organized and participated in online Open Space conferences we were wondering about what ideas people have or have tried to replicate the butterfly experience. Our organizers haven't come up with too many ideas that creates the same experience.</span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>We tried<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://theonline.town/">https://theonline.town/</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>which is pretty cool but the technology is still a bit young and people were challenged getting in and connected. (It has loads of potential).</span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>What else have people tried?</span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thanks!</span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Glenn</span><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=NL><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>To unsubscribe send an email to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=NL><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br></span><span lang=NL><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>Past archives can be viewed here:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=NL><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>