<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I love your story, Michael. I’m another person who had the privilege of seeing Spotify close up a while back, been involved in events there with colleagues, and have enjoyed watching it grow over time. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My connection with them began in 2012, and that came about because of another related idea, the Agile Fluency Model. The leaders were among the first to recognize the synergies of multiple good ideas.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for starting this thread, Thomas!</div><div class="">Diana </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 10, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Michael Herman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">When I first met the (fledgling, at that time) Agile community, Thomas, it was because they'd asked me to introduce OS as a track in their first annual conference (2002). When I showed up, they explained to me what Agile was. I just started laughing. "Guys," I said, "You do realize that you're making software in Open Space!" My short explanation of that characterization is that in both Agile and OS, "We put all the most important stuff on the wall. And then we get it done." <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Fast forward to 2017, Mike Beedle, one of the original co-authors of the Agile Manifesto (<a href="http://agilemanifesto.org/" target="_blank" class="">agilemanifesto.org</a>), launched a framework for (whole) Business or Enterprise Agility. The foundation of that is an adapted "Business Model Canvas." Mike and I used to muse about whether the 9-15 boxes on those canvases were so many small open spaces (on important dimensions of the work, or if it was really one big open space with a finite number of predictable tracks of work (e.g. purpose, customer, metrics, team practices, resources, governance, value delivery, and so on). Either way, we always agreed that Mike's Enterprise Scrum canvas-based framework was surely a form of Ongoing Open Space. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Since then, in practice, I've found that following an OS meeting with work in an Enterprise Scrum canvas, the canvas being a way to keep the marketplace open and loosely organized going forward, is a somewhat more rigorous but also natural enough way to support "keeping the work going" after the OS. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Overall, what I like about the pairing of OS and Agile approaches is this: The strong invitation, engagement, alignment that arises so quickly and easily in OS doesn't automatically lead into rigorous action, if the organization doesn't already have that rigor active in itself. At the same time, Agile approaches bring an easy, natural rigor to work, but don't necessarily invite, engage and align. Imposed, and Too Narrow (closed), understanding of Agile, Value and Transformation too often have Agile teams working very rigorously but not as smart and aligned as they really want/need to be. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some combination of open (space) invitation and operational (agile) rigor, however, in the same/shared spirit of self-organization, is my favorite way to play these days. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Michael <br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""> <br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">Michael Herman<br class="">Michael Herman Associates</div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">312-280-7838 (mobile)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px" class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><a href="http://michaelherman.com/" target="_blank" class="">MichaelHerman.com</a><br class=""><a href="http://openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank" class="">OpenSpaceWorld.org</a></div><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:48 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="SV" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Dear friends in Open Space<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">I had an interesting meeting today with a person in a large IT company and I was reminded about this video, I think I shared it here before but it’s worth watching again – I noticed! This link leads to the full 25 min video, about the Agile Culture in Spotify company. There are shorter versions too, but I recommend the full if you are really interested. Lots of good stuff and interesting to understanding more about this approach and how it can be used in a healthy way (as it sounds). I know it can also be ”mis-used” just like OST.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><a href="https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=spotify+agile&&view=detail&mid=5DC370E7746AF98272625DC370E7746AF9827262&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dspotify%2Bagile%26FORM%3DVDVVXX" target="_blank" class=""><span lang="SV" class="">https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=spotify+agile&&view=detail&mid=5DC370E7746AF98272625DC370E7746AF9827262&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dspotify%2Bagile%26FORM%3DVDVVXX</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">We had some great conversations and areas of collaboration we will explore bringing OST and GC into that company. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Wishing you lots of open space for fun during the coming weekend<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hugs<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Thomas Herrmann<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Open Space Consulting AB<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Email: <a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com" target="_blank" class="">thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Homepage: </span><span class=""><a href="http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/" target="_blank" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">www.openspaceconsulting.com</span></a></span><span class=""> <span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Profile on LinkedIn: </span><span class=""><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult" target="_blank" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult</span></a></span><span class=""> <span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Company page on Facebook: </span><span class=""><a href="http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting" target="_blank" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting</span></a></span><span class=""> <span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i class=""><span style="color:rgb(131,60,11)" class="">Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(196,89,17)" class="">Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Trainings/workshops 2020<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Febr 5-7 Organizational Health and Balance – Berlin, Germany<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. </span><span lang="EN-US" class="">Öland, Sweden<br class=""> (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - 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