<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you, Amanda,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I appreciate you for sharing your distinction.</div><div class="">Not too much information. Thank you :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Marai</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 02.08.2019 um 15:50 schrieb Amanda Bucklow <<a href="mailto:amanda@facilit8.com" class="">amanda@facilit8.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Marai<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited as follows:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Certified would be </div><div class="">1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the UK in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need to be ‘certified’ by a recognised body. The most common is Chartered Accountant which is the status conferred by the Privy Council and </div><div class="">2. there is a system of regulation which deals with disciplinary action the outcome of which is legal binding. This means your ‘licence’ to practice, and therefore you ability to earn your living, may be revoked or restricted in some way.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Accredited would be</div><div class="">1. Trained by an organisation holding themselves out as qualified to train but not independently verified as competent to do so</div><div class="">2. A much shorter training, possibly non-standard and subject to the perceptions of the market as to quality, and</div><div class="">3. either no regulation or very light-touch regulation by a membership body, for example.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The first invites the public to have confidence in the ‘certification’ and to rely on it. The second requires the consumer to make a judgment supported by more thorough research or recommendation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do hope that is not too much information :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">kind regards</div><div class="">Amanda<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:36, Marai Kiele via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Dear Amanda, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are saying). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So you use the word „accredited“. I believe in the US they use „certified“ for that very situation. True?</div><div class="">(by the way here is a non-native English speaker from Germany asking).</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And I like your quote with your three distinctions.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Marai</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/global-oasis-for-emerging-leaders-tickets-58880372780" class="">Join the next Global Oasis for Emerging Leaders on August 26!</a></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 02.08.2019 um 12:25 schrieb Facilit8 via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Dear Mark<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified insane’. The rest is an illusion of certainty which is the very antithesis of Open Space at least as I experience it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I appreciate your enthusiasm for the business opportunity and for practitioners. I have found that the OSList and the wonderful discussions, which are both challenging and respectful, to be the very best professional development and better than any ‘regulation’ I have experienced in any profession bar none. Wise folks here share and repeat the simplicity of what we do in service of others.<br class=""><br class="">As I say to my student mediators: “your training means you understand the goals and theory and your accreditation means I think you are a safe pair of hands. Now, you turn up, pay attention and ‘be’ a mediator. There is no certificate for that.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Greetings and warm wishes from a lovely sunny Hove (south coast England)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Amanda</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Amanda Bucklow</div><div dir="ltr" class="">Independent Commercial Mediator</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><a href="https://amandabucklow.co.uk/" class="">Https://amandabucklow.co.uk</a><br class=""><div class="">07976 924995</div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 1 Aug 2019, at 20:35, Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Here is the question: Are you IN or out?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Mark Carmel</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Wannabe Certified OST</div></div>
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