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Very interesting conversation and attempts to describe OST!<br>
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I'm reading Nassim Nicholas Taleb's book, Anti-Fragile. It seems to
me Open Space is antifragile.<br>
<br>
The idea of antifragility goes beyond resilience. Life in general is
antifragile. It doesn't just bounce back from set-backs. It actually
gets stronger as it overcomes challenges and stress.<br>
<br>
Antifragility seems relevant in this conversation as it seems the
more people try to document or describe Open Space, even with rather
challenging inaccuracies, the stronger it gets. I like Liberating
Structures. The 'min-specs' for OST seem accurate in the book and
the website, even if it leaves out how much more powerful it gets in
the "long form" (or at least more than 90 minutes). And it leaves
out the need to get strong authorization from leaders. I love that
it says it's not open space without the law of two feet. But the
Liberating Structures 'min-specs' don't emphasize the importance of
not generating topics ahead of time. I've unfortunately encountered
rather large events claiming to be 'open space' where the
participants either generated the topics in advance, or worse,
didn't even get to generate the topics.<br>
<br>
The "Open Space" with-a-twist as described on
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology">https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology</a> shows a nice picture
and I hope it introduces more folks to Open Space Technology. For me
at least, doing the agenda creation before the OST is an
unconference trick, but it hugely diminishes the potential power of
OST.<br>
<br>
For what it is worth - Harrison Owen may not have claimed any
ownership rights of Open Space, but what he did do is ask us to
share back what we learn as we practice Open Space. That should
start by honoring and sharing our sources.<br>
<br>
Another way to reference back is a project the Open Space Institute
U.S. did a several years ago with Harrison Owen's help. "Open Space
Technology: The Reference Definition" which is Creative Commons
Share and Adapt (cc by-sa) licensed. So feel free to reference it as
you share-and-extend. Twisty or Straight!<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition">http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Harold<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/19 8:10 AM, Robin Muretisch,
Facilitative Insights, LLC via OSList wrote:<br>
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GD",sans-serif">For everyone, the Liberating Structures
site has a handy “min specs” description of OST. Here’s the
link:
</span><a
href="http://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.liberatingstructures.com/25-open-space-technology/</a>.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Martin via OSList<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 05, 2019 2:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marai Kiele
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genuine-contact@joyful-together.com"><genuine-contact@joyful-together.com></a>; ost list
international <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><oslist@lists.openspacetech.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nick Martin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nick@workshopbank.com"><nick@workshopbank.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks for
your open letter Marai. I'm always excited and willing to
receive feedback.<br>
<br>
As you'll remember over a year ago I opened up the content of
this article for comments and input from this list in the form
of a Google Doc.
<br>
<br>
Such was the passion exhibited in the original thread I was
eager and excited to receive your inputs. Unfortunately only
two people replied though. I'm very grateful to both you and
Keith Blundell for taking the time.<br>
<br>
I must admit life took over and in my wait for more input
other priorities took over. I'm happy to revisit it now though
as I can feel the energy is back and I'd like to the right
thing in the eyes of this excellent community.<br>
<br>
Here's the link - <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing"
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Please add your thoughts, comments and feedback and amend the
article as best I can.<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/06/2019 01:53, Marai Kiele wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Nick Martin, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I find myself tense in my belly after
reading your newsletter today:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You suggest that the reader lets you
know what they think. I choose to do that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also choose to do that in the form of
an open letter, as several months back you asked on the
os-list for input to your description of the OST process
for the Workshopbank.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You introduced your version of „OST
with a twist“, and there was a somewhat heated discussion
on this list about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I participated in both, revising and
giving you feedback on your description (as requested) and
discussing about „is something with such a twist still
OST?“<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>Your twist was about giving the leaders control
about the topics. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Back then I used the analogy that you
are mixing red wine with coca cola (which some people
actually do and drink — I tried it out as a teenager).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that calling such a beverage „red
wine with a twist“ is an inaccurate representation of a)
red wine and b) the taste that a consumer will experience.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(side note: usually, this mix is done
with red wine of poor quality)<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>In my analogy, OST is the red wine and controlling
the process is the coke.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In your description, you early on
distinguish between OST and OST with a twist. I first
appreciated you for making that distinction so upfront. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then I read what you wrote under:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>If
you’re following the traditional Open Space Process...</b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">1</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
class="tcb-no-delete">Gather your participants
together and briefly explain how Open Space events
work using Harrison Owen’s 1 Law and the Guiding
Principles as appropriate. Traditionally you should do
this with everyone in a circle around you</span><span
class="tcb-no-delete"><span style="color:#FF91FF"> but
you don’t necessarily have to.</span></span><span
class="tcb-no-delete"><span style="color:#8EFFFF"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">2</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</div>
<p class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
class="tcb-no-delete"><span style="color:#FF91FF">Ask
participants to spend 10 minutes thinking through
</span></span><span class="tcb-no-delete">if they have
any issues they’d like to raise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">3</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</div>
<p class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
class="tcb-no-delete"><span style="color:#FF91FF">If
there is a general agreement that the issue has
enough support and passion behind it invite the
issue owner to add the issue to the schedule.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">4</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</div>
<p class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
class="tcb-no-delete">Once all issues have been added
invite the participants to sign-up for the sessions
they’re planning on attending (they are free to change
their mind later if they want to).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">5</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
class="tcb-no-delete">Your sessions start.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is much more on this page
that, as I see it, is NOT "the traditional Open Space
Process“. I am giving just some further examples:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<h2>Process for a Session<o:p></o:p></h2>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">1</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="tcb-no-delete">Each
session should be a round group of chairs (no table
in the middle)
</span><span class="tcb-no-delete"><span
style="color:#FF91FF">with preferably one
facilitator to lead the discussion and a scribe on
the flip-chart.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">2</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="tcb-no-delete">A
session starts with the issue owner welcoming and
thanking the group for coming and then giving a
description of the issue as they see it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">3</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="tcb-no-delete"><span
style="color:#FF91FF">The facilitator then leads
the discussion</span></span><span
class="tcb-no-delete"> inviting people to give their
input at their request.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">4</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="tcb-no-delete"><span
style="color:#FF91FF">The scribe records the
discussion on flip chart paper making sure</span></span><span
class="tcb-no-delete"> to mark Issues, Ideas,
Questions (that can’t be answered today) &
Actions. </span><span class="tcb-no-delete"><span
style="color:#FF91FF">When a flip is finished they
should tear it off</span></span><span
class="tcb-no-delete"> and put it in the center of
the circle or on a nearby wall for people in the
group to see.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">5</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</div>
<p class="thrv-styled-list-item"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="tcb-no-delete">Allow
people to leave and arrive as they see fit though
</span><span class="tcb-no-delete"><span
style="color:#FF91FF">don’t allow them to
interrupt or slow-down your progress.</span></span><span
class="tcb-no-delete"> It is a new arrival’s
responsibility to catch-up with the discussion using
the flip chart outputs no matter how high up or
important they are.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type="disc">
<li class="thrv-styled-list-item" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2"><span class="tcb-numbered-list-index">6</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="thrv-styled-list-item"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="tcb-no-delete"><span
style="color:#FF91FF">When the issue looks like it
has been covered and there are no more inputs
coming from your group thank them for their time
and invite them to join other groups if the
session time is not over.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To me, calling this description "the
traditional Open Space Process“ I wonder if<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>- I am totally rigid and should just loosen up to
the variations of OST<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>- You have never experienced a traditional Open
Space Process<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>- You just don’t care about the originality and
instead rather cater to business needs of controlled
processes that limit self-organisation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>- I misremember all my trainings with Harrison
Owen, Michael M Pannwitz, Michael Pannwitz jr, Joe Töpfer,
and last but not least Birgitt Williams. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>- or… ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I totally don’t get it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t like what you are doing.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I also dislike that you market this
description of „the traditional Open Space Process“ as „a
popular WorkshopBank Tool“.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I feel sad when I imagine people
following your description and spreading the word that
„this is the traditional way of doing OST“.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Using my former analogy: <o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I imagine what you are doing is like a
beverage shop introducing someone who has never tasted a
good red wine to that beverage.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Because this person usually drink coke,
they are being given red wine mixed with coke (to match
their taste buds).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And then they are being told, „this is
a traditional Cabernet Sauvignon“.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I want you to revise your description
and move your adaptions away from "the original version"
to „OST with a twist“.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Are you willing to do that?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Probably even better: Call it
„…………….. - a process partly inspired by Open Space
Technology“ <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to your response,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marai<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/marai-kiele/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linkedin.com/in/marai-kiele/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://about.me/maraikiele"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://about.me/maraikiele</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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