<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Awesome Work Harrison! Way to pioneer yet another way! Thank you very much for your detailed information of the process and outcome. Cannot wait to listen to the Requiem ...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Mark </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 5:57 PM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Ten Weeks in Open Space (Jamie Colston)<br>
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 21:49:39 +0100<br>
From: Jamie Colston <<a href="mailto:jamiecolston@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jamiecolston@googlemail.com</a>><br>
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 17:57, Harrison Owen via OSList <<br>
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> For some odd reasons, I committed to ?teaching? a course<br>
> which met once a week for 10 weeks. I think my hosts assumed I would do the<br>
> standard ?Lecture/Discussion,? but I had a different plan. Do it all in<br>
> Open Space. It has become an interesting experiment.<br>
><br>
> I have been involved in multiple, multi-day events, but the<br>
> days were always contiguous. What would happen, I wondered, if you did 10<br>
> Open Spaces, each an hour and a half, and separated by a week? I had little<br>
> question that something useful (rich learning, community, etc) might occur<br>
> in the first session ? but would it continue, build, attenuate? The<br>
> question is neither idle or purely academic, and could point in the<br>
> direction of enhancing extended, formal learning environments.<br>
><br>
> My host was a university and my experience to date has been<br>
> that no matter how fiercely universities pursue ?advanced learning<br>
> environments/approaches,? they are terrified of Open Space. Those may not<br>
> be the words the academics of my acquaintance would be comfortable with ?<br>
> but those words do seem to fairly describe the behavior. Open Space is<br>
> occasionally allowed as an ?experiment? ? with the full and certain<br>
> knowledge that it could not possibly ?work.? I have also witnessed massive<br>
> and sustained efforts devoted to the eradication of Open Space in those<br>
> rare instances when it seemed to have taken root.<br>
><br>
> Why these attitudes exist, I do not know (but I do have<br>
> some suspicions) ? however the opportunity to test the academic environment<br>
> was irresistible. Certainly the statistical significance of my experiment<br>
> is negligible. There is an effective N of 1? all the way around. One class,<br>
> one university, one time. The participants are all senior citizens, and the<br>
> course content perhaps bizarre: *Death, Dying and Life*.<br>
><br>
> We are now three quarters of the way through. Prudence<br>
> would dictate waiting for the end and a follow up with post-tests. However<br>
> the trends are pretty clear and academic purity was never my strong point.<br>
> Besides if the definitive word is not written others (that could be you!)<br>
> might do a replication, and that would be wonderful! For the record, I did<br>
> everything ?by the book? ? including post-its, masking tape, Issues of<br>
> concern stuck to the wall. In the first session we posted issues to be<br>
> addressed over the next 10 weeks, with the clear understanding that<br>
> additions and changes could be made at any point along the way.<br>
><br>
> The first session happened just like usual ? no surprise.<br>
> We took about half an hour to create the agenda leaving one hour for the<br>
> first groups, of which there were four. Reports were generated over the<br>
> next week, emailed back to me ? and then combined and resent.<br>
><br>
> One week later everybody returned (16) and the next round<br>
> of groups occurred (I forget how many) without prodding or assistance. In<br>
> fact I left to get some coffee. When an hour had expired, all returned for<br>
> a brief Closing Circle, actually sort of square, as it seems that circles<br>
> are a step too far for the university J I thought we might be getting<br>
> somewhere when one of the participants said the whole thing was really odd.<br>
> ?We were talking about Death and Grief? and people were laughing.?<br>
><br>
> This past week I received an email from the university<br>
> official saying that she wished to ?visit the class, possibly for 15<br>
> minutes.? I responded that she was certainly welcome, but that I was unsure<br>
> what, if anything, she might see or hear. The room we had been assigned was<br>
> rather small and definitely noisy with multiple groups conversing. It took<br>
> the participants virtually no time at all to discover a number of small<br>
> ?conversation nooks,? furnished and private, located all over the building.<br>
> Of course, during class hours everybody else was in class ? except for our<br>
> participants. They were everywhere and kept moving. I suggested that the<br>
> official might do better to come for the whole time (1 ? hours) so she<br>
> would at least know where to start. I also told her that she would be<br>
> treated just like all participants ? no special handling or introduction.<br>
> I knew she would make her way and the people would take care of her ? as<br>
> they did for everybody else.<br>
><br>
> When the session was over, everybody came back to the ?home<br>
> room.? We never did have a ?sit down? closing circle because the place was<br>
> just buzzing and people had busses to catch. Our official visitor had this<br>
> bemused smile and was now totally enveloped by the group. I never did<br>
> formally meet her, actually I?m not even sure exactly what she looks like.<br>
> But I did receive an email from her when I got home saying that something<br>
> quite strange must be happening. Apparently all of the other classes in her<br>
> program area were losing participants, sometimes by half. She was so<br>
> impressed that our full compliment arrived promptly at the appointed hour,<br>
> and everybody was there at the end. I confess I smiled too, always<br>
> believing the *Law of Two Feet* is the most powerful test for, and<br>
> indicator of, Customer/participant Satisfaction. One might suspect we were<br>
> hitting pretty close to 100%. 24 hours later I got another email asking if<br>
> I could do mini-courses in the summer and a full repeat in the Fall. I<br>
> thanked her for the honor and declined ? saying that I only did it once for<br>
> any group. However there were now 16 people who could do as well or better.<br>
> We?ll see. In any event it is an experiment you can try, and I wish you as<br>
> much fun as I have had.<br>
><br>
> The points of significance for me were several. First, the<br>
> topic (Death, dying and Life) which is taboo in many circles and difficult<br>
> in most ? was freely and openly explored by people for whom it was all<br>
> pretty much virgin territory. Of course as senior citizens, that territory<br>
> was getting smaller and smaller (bigger and bigger?). Secondly, I was<br>
> struck by the evolving feeling of warmth and connection. I can?t imagine<br>
> how you would measure that, but even my faculty visitor couldn?t escape.<br>
> Lastly, and certainly least provable, was a sense expressed by several and<br>
> certainly me ? that 10 discreet weeks evolved into one connected open<br>
> space. Sometime of greater intensity, sometimes less ? but always connected.<br>
><br>
> For our last gathering I have invited everybody to my house<br>
> to enjoy a rich performance of Beethoven?s *Missa Solemnis *done by the<br>
> Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam, followed by lunch at a small country<br>
> restaurant down the road. I call it my Office. Gathering for a requiem mass<br>
> might seem rather ghoulish, but as I said when making the invitation, ?No<br>
> dead person has ever listened to a requiem.? They are all written for the<br>
> living and in their own way are a celebration of life. This was explicitly<br>
> true of the Brahms *German Requiem* ? and frankly the 9th Symphony (Ode<br>
> to Joy) has nothing on the mass ? I think. Try it. It?s amazing.<br>
><br>
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> Harrison<br>
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From: Birgitt Williams <<a href="mailto:birgitt@dalarinternational.com" target="_blank">birgitt@dalarinternational.com</a>><br>
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Dear Al,<br>
My perspective is that the more that there is focus on what is not wanted,<br>
the more that the 'not wanted' gets energized. Within this perspective, I<br>
would not focus on a 'peril'.<br>
<br>
Earth has her own frequency, and is a beautiful living being whom I trust<br>
to look after herself. Humans are part of planet Earth. She nurtures us.<br>
Our quest may be to find how to be in better relationship with the Earth.<br>
This provides a life nurturing focus.<br>
<br>
Change in behaviors is possible with a vision to work towards, and OST<br>
provides us with a wonderful way to work with Spirit. Harrison's first<br>
book, even before OST, was about Spirit...and I loved it.<br>
<br>
in genuine contact,<br>
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 7:33 AM R Chaffe via OSList <<br>
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> Alan,<br>
> Peter Sandman would say that until the hazard and outrage are balanced in<br>
> the community of concern dialogue is not really possible. The issue at the<br>
> moment may be summarised as the hazard associated with climate change is<br>
> academic to the majority of the community, in particular the right wing of<br>
> the community denying the scientific evidence. Even science itself. Ie No<br>
> hazard, no outrage therefore no issue.<br>
><br>
> The answer to your core question is that Open Space is perhaps the only<br>
> way to address such a complex and systematic issue. Open Space technology<br>
> is one of the better tools to use to create situations where dialogue may<br>
> be achieved and where the classic adversarial situation minimised or<br>
> avoided.<br>
><br>
> The irony is that opening the space would be an ideal way of getting the<br>
> community to the point that they are ready to work seriously on this major<br>
> issue.<br>
><br>
> I have used Open Space technology very effectively to explore our<br>
> preparedness for climate change and the massive investment required in<br>
> infrastructure to facilitate innovation and adaption. It has taken 12<br>
> years, far too slow but this is the current reality.<br>
><br>
> It is again time to try and try again.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Rob<br>
><br>
> On 16 Apr 2019, at 7:05 pm, Alan Stewart via OSList <<br>
> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> G?day from Downunder again<br>
><br>
> To express my appreciation for the responses received to my missive of 13<br>
> April 1919 about this topic. They were all offline. Mainly from people who<br>
> know me personally from our meetings during times and places since my being<br>
> an OST <<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org</a>>facilitator, starting in 1994.<br>
><br>
> Including this: ?Great idea Alan. I look forward to hearing what response<br>
> you get. I am so ?over? the alternatives (commonly called ?summits? or<br>
> ?round tables? (which might be ?round? in name only), where the regular<br>
> suspects talk ?at? each other.<br>
><br>
> Open Space, open invitation, is really the way to go with such a complex<br>
> question.?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And who have offered sage suggestions, such as:<br>
><br>
> Delete all references to myself and how I came up with the idea.<br>
><br>
> Instead state clearly in as few words as possible, viz 'the juicy' parts<br>
> about:<br>
><br>
> What do I suggest?<br>
><br>
> What could the proposed action possibly achieve?<br>
><br>
> What will be the details?<br>
><br>
><br>
> One responder wonders if the way of using OST I am suggesting could only<br>
> be done at a national government level; a fair query, in my opinion.<br>
><br>
> Nonetheless what I will go ahead in proposing is to have an OST based<br>
> gathering with the backing of a State?s ?Climate Body?. In this instance<br>
> South Australia.<br>
><br>
> Together with the local organizers of ?School Strikers? as the 'auspicers'<br>
> to invite representatives of some main 'constituents' to participate in a<br>
> 2.5 day OST event I the manner I had outlined earlier.<br>
><br>
> And so I will go ahead with the basic initiative as spelled in my note to<br>
> our List of a few days ago.<br>
><br>
> On the premise that ?whatever happens ?? <smile><br>
><br>
> To be despatched shortly after the forthcoming Easter weekend.<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Before doing this I would ask you again: Do you have any thoughts on my<br>
> proposed way of using OST which you reckon could strengthen the likelihood<br>
> of its being acted upon?*<br>
><br>
> Looking forward.<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Al *<br>
><br>
> Al (formerly Alan) Stewart, PhD<br>
> Process Artist<br>
> Facilitator of conversations that matter and participatory fun<br>
><br>
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> *_________________________________*<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *"Whenever we treat each other well good things happen."*<br>
><br>
> * Al Stewart*<br>
><br>
> *?Be yourself. And be it well?*<br>
><br>
> PS You may also be inspired ? and alarmed ? by the recent contribution<br>
> from Bill McKibben to this most vital concern of our times. See his new<br>
> book entitled *Falter* here<br>
> <<a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/15/falter_in_new_book_bill_mckibben" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/15/falter_in_new_book_bill_mckibben</a>><br>
> and here<br>
> <<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/books/review/bill-mckibben-falter.amp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/books/review/bill-mckibben-falter.amp.html</a>><br>
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