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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=SV link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>… BUT fully present indeed!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Från:</b> Michael Herman <michael@michaelherman.com> <br><b>Skickat:</b> den 9 januari 2019 01:36<br><b>Till:</b> markacarmel <markacarmel@gmail.com><br><b>Kopia:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>; Thomas Herrmann <thomas@openspaceconsulting.com><br><b>Ämne:</b> Re: [OSList] Report From The Field<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>> statues of Harrison Owen in town squares everywhere<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>i've heard there are already hundreds if not thousands of them sprinkled around the globe. all invisible, of course!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>312-280-7838 (mobile)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:28 PM markacarmel <<a href="mailto:markacarmel@gmail.com">markacarmel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you Sir Michael Herman, I remember you for sure.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="gmail-m_-8618230232357772774composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757'>Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>From: Michael Herman <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelherman.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Date: 1/8/19 3:57 PM (GMT-07:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Cc: Mark Carmel <<a href="mailto:markacarmel@gmail.com" target="_blank">markacarmel@gmail.com</a>>, Thomas Herrmann <<a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com" target="_blank">thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [OSList] Report From The Field <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I looked hard at your name, Mark, and didn't recognize it. But I have heard your story, and even told a very abbreviated version from time to time! Thanks! And thanks Harrison for making that connection. Michael<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 15:55 Thomas Herrmann via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Great read!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now I will sleep well. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Opening Space tomorrow, warms my <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>💔</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We rock<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Appreciatively <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thomas<o:p></o:p></p><div id="gmail-m_-8618230232357772774m_1877152532624560298AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Skickat från min iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>8 jan. 2019 kl. 23:47 skrev Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>For reasons known only to the CyberGods I somehow missed Mark’s offering. But I didn’t miss what followed… Mark’s language is (0n occasion) off putting. But having known him for a long time, his heart is definitely in the right place (even if it isn’t YOUR place). </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>When I first meet Mark (25 years ago?) he had the exalted title of Superintendant of Roads (I think) in a Colorado County -- Pueblo. I don’t know what that totally involved – but one thing was the snow plowing operations on some of the nastiest parts of the American Rockies. Serious business with marginal room for error lest you go over the edge. Each Fall, the plow operators would be gathered for a “education” session on “better plowing.” Experts would hold forth, and the drivers, presumably, got smarter. Then came Mark. He turned the gathering over to the real experts (the drivers) – and it was all in Open Space. Came up with a catchy title: Roads Scholars! Then it seemed that the Governor of Colorado needed to work with all “his” County Execs. Mark was called upon for the job. He ended up as a County Executive … which is a political job equal to President in many (smaller) countries. Frankly, I have always stood in awe of Mark – opening space in the middle of a political morass. He’s good – but definitely odd. I’m pleased to call him my friend.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>ho </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marai Kiele via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> ost list international<br><b>Cc:</b> Marai Kiele; Mark Carmel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Report From The Field</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear Mark,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I appreciate your flow of energy and appreciation, both for OST and Harrison! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am fascinated, hearing about the „at that time“ largest educational transformation group and I honour you as someone who has walked the trails of OST before me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At the same time, I notice my resentment in regard to this part of your sharing:<span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=gmail-m-8618230232357772774m1877152532624560298apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>"beware of the evil spirits that seek the status quo at all costs“ </span>and<span style='font-size:13.5pt'> "</span><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>fortify oneself against the forces that WILL seek to undermine change".</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I actually don’t live within a paradigm of something like „evil spirits“, and I find myself quite „resistant" to changing that world-view. I also don’t believe in setting myself up „against“ anything, but instead I believe in focusing on what is wanted. For me, this would include honouring those with a different perspective on what I desire (which might be change or transformation in regard to a specific subject).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have heard the term, „the client is resistant“ both in therapy and consulting contexts, and I notice great discomfort within me towards this kind of label. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Not mostly, but also from my personal experience of someone giving me that „batch of honour". Someone who didn’t understand my perspective and how I was actually serving a group with my intervention. It has now happened to me several times that someone said to me (sometimes years later): „NOW I get you! I thought you were just annoying/resistant, but you were right / actually ahead of us with your perspective“.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And.. there are times when I am not at all ahead, but truly resistant to change. For example because of different priorities. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I will never forget the disbelief of the person at the iPhone help desk of my mobile phone provider: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I called to ask how to activate my new iPhone 6. Which had been sitting in my desk for OVER A YEAR unused, after I had received the new model. He couldn’t believe that I hadn’t activated it right away. I imagine he might have shared that story during his coffee break with colleagues and all of them shaking their heads or laughing about that strange client.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I just hadn't wanted to let go of my iPhone 3s (until I really had to because I couldn’t get software updates anymore). Back then, I so preferred its design. I mostly used it to make calls, not for the internet, and it fit so nicely into my hand and the back pocket of my jeans… Clearly a criteria that many tech savvy people will not find as important at I did!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So the „moral“ of my story: What might be the things that other people value which we don’t understand, when we judge them as „resistant“?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I very much appreciate how that perspective is embodied in this short video, narrated by Charles Eisenstein: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=gmail-m-8618230232357772774m1877152532624560298apple-tab-span> </span>What is it like to be you?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=gmail-m-8618230232357772774m1877152532624560298apple-tab-span> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStmnodUpOo" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStmnodUpOo</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also, isn’t OST based on invitation? And if there is something like „resistance to following an invitation“, is it a true invitation in the first place?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=gmail-m-8618230232357772774m1877152532624560298apple-tab-span> </span>(Kudos to Dan Mezick and Mark Sheffield and their book on Inviting Leadership) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>With respect,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Marai<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Am 08.01.2019 um 02:41 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>Greetings Fellow OST Practitioners!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>It is an honor to join you once again. I met the great Harrison Owen in the early 1990's and began immediately facilitating Open Space. I hope some of you remember me. Guided by Harrison's mentor-ship I set the world record with a 700 person group in 1993, the largest at the time for an educational transformation. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>To my fellow followers of His Honor, Harrison "The GREAT" Owen, THE Inventor of the Magic and Miracle of OPEN SPACE, (or the Receiver, from the Great Inventor...) I honor you for carrying on His Legacy. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>May I suggest to ALL, that when the Space is Opened to the Spirit of Change, you are playing with the fire of the crucible right there, fomenting the ferver that IS the crux of CHAOS, and thus bringing out the very, very Good in people, and also, sometimes, the bad. In all your preparations, beware of the evil spirits that seek the status quo at all costs, sometimes, literally. Change dies hard, as it is said, and in America, we now live in Retaliation Nation, where change, may be, and is, often, met with resistance. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>To fortify oneself against the forces that WILL seek to undermine change (and not in an open way, quite the contrary), and undermine the change agents championing change, one tidbit of hopefully useful observation is warranted: Make SURE Leadership is SOLID! </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>It is such a joy to see O.S.T. alive and well. We ALL have Harrison to thank for His Gift of the Spirit of Human Understanding, Peace, and Reconciliation. Thank YOU, dear Father Harrison Owen!! </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>Cheers! Long May OST Live!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>O - Open Invitation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>S - System Innovation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>T - Transformation Communication</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>Peace!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>Mark Carmel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>312-280-7838 (mobile)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>