<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Looks really interesting. <div><br></div><div>Thanks Michael<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 28, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Michael Herman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">and this yesterday in the nytimes...<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>a review of two books that suggest safety concerns, especially on college campuses and within the iGen cohort that follows millennials, gets in the way of people learning to communicate about important issues, setting democracy up for failure.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><p class="gmail-css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0" style="margin:0px 0px 1rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:18px;line-height:1.6rem;font-family:nyt-imperial,georgia,"times new roman",times,serif;vertical-align:baseline;width:600px;max-width:100%;color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><strong class="gmail-css-8qgvsz euv7paa0" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:700;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">THE SPLINTERING OF THE AMERICAN MIND<span> </span></strong><br><strong class="gmail-css-8qgvsz euv7paa0" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:700;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">Identity Politics, Inequality, and Community on Today’s College Campuses</strong><span> </span><br>By William Egginton<span> </span><br>263 pp. Bloomsbury. $28.</p><p class="gmail-css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0" style="margin:0px 0px 1rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:18px;line-height:1.6rem;font-family:nyt-imperial,georgia,"times new roman",times,serif;vertical-align:baseline;width:600px;max-width:100%;color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><strong class="gmail-css-8qgvsz euv7paa0" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:700;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">THE CODDLING OF THE AMERICAN MIND</strong><br><strong class="gmail-css-8qgvsz euv7paa0" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:700;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure</strong><span> </span><br>By Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt<br>338 pp. Penguin Press. $28.</p><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">312-280-7838 (mobile)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Dan Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Here’s a book that associates computer network efficiency at scale with civilization-efficiency at scale. And vice versa, which is his essential point.<div><br></div><div>The conclusion is that individual agents are the only entities capable of making promises at that level and that this is actually super-efficient and in fact optimal in terms of at-scale system level performance:  how interesting...<div><br></div><div>Promise Theory: Thinking in Promises<br><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Promises-Designing-Systems-Cooperation/dp/1491917873" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/<wbr>Thinking-Promises-Designing-<wbr>Systems-Cooperation/dp/<wbr>1491917873</a><br><br><div id="m_-268079187837756934AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black">Oh sure. YOU alone a responsible for what you do/are -- unless of course you are mentally impaired. And nobody can keep you "honest" better that your peers and colleagues. Presuming that they step up and do their job. Of course, if they sit on the sideline and allow terrible things to happen... It really is about taking personal responsibility for the life you live and for those who live it with you. Nothing is perfect, of course, but we try.<div><br></div><div>ho<br><br><br>Harrison Owen
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<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>><br>To: oslist <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>><br>Cc: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam <<a href="mailto:m.saleh.abdelsalam@gmail.com" target="_blank">m.saleh.abdelsalam@gmail.com</a>><br>Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2018 12:34 pm<br>Subject: Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety<br><br></div>
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<div class="m_-268079187837756934aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr">Harrison,<div>maybe you also indicate having everyone appreciated for what they do, as  well as having everyone responsible for what they do?</div></div><br><div class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_m_-4535822651878708518WordSection1"><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mona… In all the years that I have facilitated/participated in Open Space I have never seen any physical violence. Tense situations for sure, but the group always handled it and, most importantly, learned from it. I think I understand what you mean with a “code of conduct” but I’ve never seen the need for it and more to the point such a code could shift responsibility for humane behavior from the individual to the Code. My hope is always to “ultimize” (no such word, I know) each person’s responsibility for themselves and their fellows. That it always (in my experience) seem to work may prove something?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ho<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> OSList [mailto:<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.<wbr>openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Mona Saleh Abd El Salam<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">maybe you mean having individuals with some (common sense) that can be listed in a (code of conduct) according to which they behave.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:34 PM David Osborne via OSList <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">Quoting from Harrison in <i>The Practice of Peace.</i><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">Stuart Kaufman's original work which focused on biological systems aka the emergence of life on earth describes five pre-conditions for open space, one of which is "<i>A safe, nutrient-rich environment."   </i>Harrison goes on to describe the equivalent for Human systems as <i>"some kind of safety and support in the overall environment."</i><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">I interpret safety as a psychologically safe space where individuals can act and speak ( take risks, share diverse views etc.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">Can it be too safe to support self-organization?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal">David<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="m_-268079187837756934aolmail_MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div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