<div dir="auto">How I have enjoyed this thread! I especially salute Nick and Bhav reminding myself again and again that "I could not know what I did not know and when I knew I could not help but wonder if I would ever have understood if someone had described it to me."<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's how I felt about Open Space. Never could I have conceived it until I experienced it. Only then would I ever have seen that it was in me and others all along. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I can relate and resonate with sponsors, clients and others who worry about letting go too much. I can relate to us as facilitators navigating those conversations.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yet we all know that we can't dive in the water by just tipping our toes in. We have to jump right in. Quite scary when much of what is done is wading in the water. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's why I admire Nick's openness knowing that he is already opening and holding this space for those who do not yet know what they don't know. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As others have mentioned, when the early conversations focus primarily on the urgent issues at hand, imagining new solutions and renewed energy to address those issues, it becomes easier to firmly and confidently convey and be heard on what's possible with an Open Space done well. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Because we have skillfully engaged them in the what's possible, the how of what could happen next has a greater chance of getting off the ground.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No easy solutions on that. A lifetime of learning and I'm still learning. It's why I appreciate this list so much.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Suzanne</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:41 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Check this out Nick: <a href="https://fowpdx.com/open-space/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://fowpdx.com/open-space/</a><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2018 at 15:30, Nick Martin via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<font size="+1"><font face="Source Sans Pro">Hi everybody!<br>
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Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been
watching with enormous interest.<br>
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I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough
to take me through in more detail where my rendition of Open
Space is veering from the traditional. It was incredibly
enlightening (thanks again Bhav).<br>
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For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website
who are far less experienced than your good selves so I'm
committed to changing it.<br>
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Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a
new draft and share it with you for comments and edits. I
thought that a wonderful idea! Here it is and I promise to
publish whatever we end up with ... assuming it's clean :)<br>
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Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't
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<div class="m_9046031425200582549m_1768601659428470857moz-cite-prefix">On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via
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“CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate
name. Either that or “Project Management”.
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<div>with a twist, of course.<br>
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On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
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<div>Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they
stop calling this thing Open Space with a twist?<br>
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<div>425-746-6274</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT<br>
<b>To:</b> "'World wide Open Space Technology email
list'" <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!</b><br>
<b>Reply-To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology
email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
is not the first time for this conversation… The
simple truth: Old habits die very hard. The
habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that
somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in
Open Space. And so the predictable arrives as
prognosticated. Or something.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some
find this ongoing situation an occasion to
defend the process. I can understand the
feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the
energy. Open Space/self organization will do
quite well all by itself, as it has for
millennia. But there is a sadness, which on
occasion expresses itself (at least in me) as
anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of
those “meeting planners” to be totally
appalling. The massive disrespect of the
participants manifest in the presumption that
they (the “planning Committee”) alone possess
the keys to knowledge and action… that they
alone could ask the pertinent questions for
which they will supply the only answers,
personally or through imported “experts.” --
is soul numbing. Sad.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eva P Svensson via
OSList<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology
email list<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eva P Svensson<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Hope Never
Dies!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Don’t call it Open Space if
it’s not Open space!!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Another thing.. I visited my
first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that
we had to stand up and tell our name and two
topic that we would like to talk about (without
any obligation to bring them up). After that the
ones who wanted to raise a topic - stod up and
read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45
min breakout sessions. Then we were asked to
raise our hands if we thought that topic was a
good idea - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine
standing up front of all participants with a
topic and no one raised their hand…!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing was said about how to
collect the recordings so there was a big
confusion about that. Every breakout session was
45 min and when the time was out - the
”facilitator” came in the different rooms and
announced that the time was over…<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And of course no circles ,
just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open
Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much
frustrated…<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Oh my - what an interesting
experience …<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hugs<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">:o)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eva<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20
skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Classic
- "<b>There’s a twist in this version
with the inclusion of a process that
gives the organizers a little more
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