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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jumping in the middle and read only parts of the conversation yet feel moved to add few ideas:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I believe space opens long before the event and I always do pre-work with a the caller, sponsor and steering/preparatory committee that is composed of a microcosm of the while system. I do it for many reasons including these you mentioned. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>In the book "Dialogic Organization Development" I wrote a chapter about "entering contracting and readiness" (chap 10 pp 219)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dialogic-Organization-Development-Practice-Transformational/dp/1626564043">https://www.amazon.com/Dialogic-Organization-Development-Practice-Transformational/dp/1626564043</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>that speaks to this pre phase elaborately. Oddly enough this is the process I was most fascinated by and wrote about<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>also in a case description in "the hand book of large group methodologies" PP 219.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If you or anyone are interested please tell me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nick, I am not sure but it could be "language" more than essence. The language you are using is of control and that is out of nature to OST . this is important to use OST language because language defines our thinking. The pre process I use always, for "a scared sponsor" , cynical people , disappointed employees…or just anyone is a pre work one that will give them the opportunity to really be choice full. It is a process to get to know this way of work, to explore and build trust or to decide it is not for me/us, I would like a more structured methodology.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>This is a process of exploring what is our burning question now and co designing the process that could help us in meaningful conversation and labor the next stage of wisdom and action. With or without OST, with or without me (in case a methodology I am not using is needed)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hope this makes sense<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Tova<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><b><span lang=HE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'>טובה אורבוך </span></b><span dir=LTR></span><b><span dir=LTR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'><span dir=LTR></span> </span></b><span dir=RTL></span><b><span lang=HE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'><span dir=RTL></span> </span></b><span dir=LTR></span><b><span dir=LTR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'><span dir=LTR></span> Tova Averbuch<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'>Holon Israel</span><span dir=LTR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'>Phone 972-52-8305343 </span><span lang=HE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#548DD4'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=HE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:tova.averbuch@gmail.com"><span lang=EN-US dir=LTR style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>tova.averbuch@gmail.com</span></a></span><span dir=LTR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=HE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://tovaaverbuch.com/"><span lang=EN-US dir=LTR style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://tovaaverbuch.com</span></a></span><span dir=LTR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Martin via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 09, 2018 9:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> Marai Kiele via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Martin <nick@workshopbank.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",serif'>Dear Marai<br><br>Thank you so much for your comments and your follow-up email. I love your analogy about Kalimotxo!<br><br>To answer your question: <i>"Would you elaborate about the benefit of the sponsor / organiser having control over the agenda?"</i><br><br>First I'd like to say the twist has no impact on the process of the day so it should never happen that the organizers are accused of not running an Open Space. <br><br>I now appreciate after my Skype with Bhav and your feedback on the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing">Google Doc</a> that my version of the process-on-the-day needs some tidying but all the discussion has been about the twist and its potential of closing the space so let me address that.<br><br>The twist is an extra process in the days / weeks before the event and provides two benefits: <br><br>(1) It calms sponsors who are scared to the point of being unwilling to try OST in its traditional form, and<br>(2) It becomes a marketing tool for the event.<br><br>Re (1) I've never actually seen the sponsor exert any control over the event even though they've theoretically been able to. It's just put their mind and nerves at rest because they've been able to see what topics are coming ahead of time. Some people, who feel like their necks are on the line, don't like surprises and this removes some of the surprise.<br><br>(2) is its main function because often an audience coming to an event is feeling disengaged before they arrive. If I pick up during the design phase that the general feeling from the attendees is, "is this event going to be another waste of my time?" I look to do something because negativity like that at the water cooler spreads fast and I'd rather they walk in the room at the start pumped and excited.<br><br>The twist works by showing them days/weeks in advance that this event is going to be different because they're in control. It becomes a PR tool for the design team that generates pre-event enthusiasm. I've learned the earlier you can get your targets engaged in the event the higher your chance of success and this is a way to do that.<br><br>I like your suggestion and am starting to think these two versions would be better separated with my twist version getting it's own brand like Kalimotxo. I'm happy to do that if the general feeling is it muddies the waters/red wine too much.<br><br><br>P.S. I joined this list back in Feb 2017 when I first had a conversation with Bhav about OST. <br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="WISESTAMP_SIG_815"><div><div style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=tp1><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=705 style='width:352.5pt'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Nick Martin</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#646464'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="http://workshopbank.com/?utm_source=wisestamp&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=emailsig" 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alt=LinkedIn></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 07/04/2018 10:15, Marai Kiele via OSList wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Nick, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am very appreciative of you writing openly on this list, after the conversations that happened beforehand!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I went over to your document and made some comments on the process. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Found a sense of „this process needs to be controlled to have a good outcome“ at several places.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since a while I am mostly contemplating on your introduction to the twist. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You write:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>"<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I’ve added a twist with the inclusion of a pre-event process that gives the sponsors / organizers a little more control over the agenda."</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Would you elaborate about the benefit of the sponsor / organiser having control over the agenda?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And how, „having control over the agenda“ and the basic intentions of OST (i.e. trusting the people and their innate wisdom) go together for you?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>They don’t go well together for me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let me make this clearer with an analogy:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>There is red wine. There is coke. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>There are many people who like one or the other. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>There are people who like both, at different times.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>There are also people who like mixing those two.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>(I tried it once when I was a teenager.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Many of those who like red wine will probably shutter imagining such a mix. Especially when imagining a really good red wine plus coke, in equal proportion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And still, it’s an official drink, it even has a Wikipedia entry: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimotxo">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimotxo</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you offered someone such a mix, would you call it „red whine with a twist“?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I suggest you create a name that is showing more openly what you are doing with the twist.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"Open Space and Control" or a completely new name.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>With curiosity for your perspective, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Marai<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>PS: As a side note, to understand this conversation better (and because I only re-joined this list a short while ago): <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Have you been on this list before or did you just join after the topic came up? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Am 06.04.2018 um 14:30 schrieb Nick Martin via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro",serif;background:white'>Hi everybody!<br><br>Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been watching with enormous interest.<br><br>I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough to take me through in more detail where my rendition of Open Space is veering from the traditional. It was incredibly enlightening (thanks again Bhav).<br><br>For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website who are far less experienced than your good selves so I'm committed to changing it.<br><br>Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a new draft and share it with you for comments and edits. I thought that a wonderful idea! Here it is and I promise to publish whatever we end up with ... assuming it's clean :)<br><br><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing"><span style='color:purple'>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing</span></a><br><br>Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't feel obligated. All input and feedback is very much appreciated.<br></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br style='font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="WISESTAMP_SIG_8027"><div><div style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=tp1><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=705 style='width:352.5pt'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#646464'>Nick Martin</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#646464'><br><a href="http://workshopbank.com/?utm_source=wisestamp&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=emailsig" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>WorkshopBank</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#ED7500'>m:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8D8D8D'><a href="tel:+45%2042%2047%2000%2074"><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#8D8D8D;text-decoration:none'> </span></span><span style='color:#8D8D8D;text-decoration:none'>+45 42 47 00 74</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>|<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#ED7500'>e:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8D8D8D'><a href="mailto:nick@workshopbank.com"><span style='color:#8D8D8D;text-decoration:none'>nick@workshopbank.com</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>|<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#ED7500'>w:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8D8D8D'><a href="http://workshopbank.com/?utm_source=wisestamp&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=emailsig" target="_blank"><span style='color:#8D8D8D;text-decoration:none'>workshopbank.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="https://www.facebook.com/workshopbank"><span style='color:purple;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 id="_x0000_i1031" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/facebook.png" alt=Facebook></span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://twitter.com/workshopbank"><span style='color:purple;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 id="_x0000_i1032" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/twitter.png" alt=Twitter></span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmartn"><span style='color:purple;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16 id="_x0000_i1033" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/linkedin.png" alt=LinkedIn></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br style='font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via OSList wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>“CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate name. Either that or “Project Management”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>with a twist, of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='color:purple'>oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I see the site has a contact page: <a href="https://workshopbank.com/contact"><span style='color:purple'>https://workshopbank.com/contact</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop calling this thing Open Space with a twist?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Peggy Holman <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>425-746-6274<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='color:purple'>oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>><br><b>Date:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>"'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='color:purple'>oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net"><span style='color:purple'>hhowen@verizon.net</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='color:purple'>oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old habits die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the predictable arrives as prognosticated. Or something.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy. Open Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has for millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself (at least in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those “meeting planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that they alone could ask the pertinent questions for which they will supply the only answers, personally or through imported “experts.” -- is soul numbing. Sad.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Winter Address</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>301-365-2093</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Summer Address</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucauire Ave</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Camden, ME 04843</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>207 763-3261</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Websites</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"><span style='color:purple'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ho-image.com/"><span style='color:purple'>www.ho-image.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Eva P Svensson via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Eva P Svensson<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Don’t call it Open Space if it’s not Open space!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was a good idea - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the time was over…<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Oh my - what an interesting experience …<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Hugs<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>:o)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>Eva<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'>Bästa hälsningar</span></span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'>Eva P Svensson</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'>EPS Human Invest AB</span></b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'>Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'>"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer"</span></i><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>www.epshumaninvest.se</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Skype: eva.p.svensson</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="twitter:@EvaPSvensson"><span style='color:purple'>twitter:@EvaPSvensson</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif;",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif;",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif;",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif;",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif'><br><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif;",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif;",serif'>3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style='color:purple'>oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Classic - "<b>There’s a twist 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