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Hi Chris,<br>
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Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't
want to mention his name without a fuller context as you have
provided. I also disagree with his assessment of OST as a
convergence tool. I've not seen happiness come from trying to
squeeze convergence out of an OST event.<br>
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I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose
'tool', though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom
about Open Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something
I feel I experience in most Open Space Technology events, but
they're not really the same thing. Given that distinction, "Open
some space" does seem a valid all purpose approach. Even if that
doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open Space Technology event.<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan
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The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle
criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method.
It is not a panacea for every problem.
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<div>More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that
groups operate within constraints. There are times when those
constraints need to be tightly bound in order for things to
happen and other times when they need to be relaxed. </div>
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<div>In situations in which you are developing new things conflict
and diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process
in which people of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight
container together to make something better. Open Space does not
always do this, so if you need a required level of diversity
(and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then OST might not be
the best way to do it. </div>
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<div>I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation
structure to reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert
opinions engaged in a deliberated and structured and way to do
due diligence. </div>
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<div>Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s
wrong about (that it is a convergence process for example) and
I’ve talked with him extensively about that. But anyone who
think that Dave believes Open Space doesn’t have utility is also
wrong. He believes that it’s useful for certain things in
certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree, I
would think. </div>
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<div>Chris. <br>
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On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a
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Daniel,<br>
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Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a
well respected management guru as a critique of Open Space.
I can't help but wonder the following:<br>
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- How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an
authority figure forces them?<br>
- How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities
resolve conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an
imperial force (think Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc
etc etc)<br>
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If you are dealing with children or developmentally
challenged individuals - especially those who have violated
others rights are are in prison - I can imagine there being
some value to some level of compulsion or coercion here. But
even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting and
damage, but not the children's growth.<br>
<br>
If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated
in tribal scenarios, I can see how that might justify
gunboat diplomacy. But I can't imagine the tribal system
will evolve to respect human rights without a huge
additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is
all too likely that such interference may not only cause
even bigger problems later on, but can also encourage
exploitation of the less developed tribe/community.<br>
<br>
Thanks for asking this question!<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
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Mezick via OSList wrote:<br>
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<p>I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters:
That OST actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the
Law of 2 Feet. In other words, people who need to be
resolving conflict (or at least discussing it) can just
avoid the touchy topic... and each other. <br>
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Could this actually be true? If not why not? <br>
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