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<div>I’ve been thinking about it on the drive into work and will post more later ….. As it's a phenomena …. It's definitely researchable, you just need to find some suitable frameworks.. </div>
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<div>I’m always a bit sceptical about things that people say just happen, especially when they are actually organised. :-)</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, 23 February 2017 at 22:21<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Karl Royle <<a href="mailto:K.Royle@wlv.ac.uk">K.Royle@wlv.ac.uk</a>>, World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I find the concept of researching self-organization in human systems to prove that it happens intriguing and I have no idea how one would approach it since it's all self-organizing and I'm not sure the human perspective of working / not working
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<div>As I first read one off the posts I thought it's kind of like proving fire is....then I realized hey.....there is a combustion point ...things that accelerate of diminish fires...ways to start them etc etc.</div>
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<div>I think a second part of the challenge is that self-organizing is like gravity or electro magnetics in that it is invisible and we don't have a way of measuring it that I know of.</div>
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<div>These are my rambling musings and I'm interested in others perspectives.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I don’t think you can prove self organization but you could look at …. if this is done in this way then results are.. kind of thing…. And you could see if OS improves efficacy of groups
and individuals, which it probably certainly does (in the moment)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Harrison---the point I was making is about research. If the research is based on going down the path of proving self organization, it is not as valuable to making the case for OST as OST works! It simply works, is useful, creates results.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:16 PM Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Seems to. And are there other things going on in Open Space apart from self organization? Absolutely. Or perhaps not at all. Just life.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Great summary Harrison of what is OST and what is not OST. it is a significant challenge to find what is actually an OST meeting. One of the reasons I created our workshop Working With OST is to make that distinction very clear to all who
participate with us. OST facilitated well requires understanding the essence of what is created...and never as the facilitator violating that essence. People have referred to me as a 'purist' and that is fine by me. I believe in OST just as you created it.
I do not believe in the variations having the same outcomes. When something is added before OST or after OST, they are not OST...and helping a group of people be absolutely clear when the actual OST begins and when it ends is part of what we are very careful
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have developed a complimentary method, Whole Person Process Facilitation, to use when OST is not the right method...and yet is based on as little intervention as possible, and creating 'maximum choice, maximum freedom' to the degree
possible. Unfortunately, after the meetings, people will say 'we want another one of those open space meetings. They feel that the space is open and like to refer to it that way. I cannot do anything about this conclusion that people make, and it is not OST.<u></u><u></u></p>
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is that too much effort was spent proving that self organizing works, instead of proving through research and other means, that OST works.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having a clean hypothesis about OST as a useful, productive method that achieves incredible results is more valuable that proving it works for some particular reason.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the questions I find myself asking of various "researchers," -- What,<br>
exactly, are you looking at?<br>
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Open Space has wandered and permutated globally, and taken 30+ years doing<br>
that. So lots of times the "Open Space" people say they are looking at<br>
(researching) has nothing to do with anything that I might call OST.<br>
Needless to say I don't own, but I did coin the phrase -- and arguably, I've<br>
spent more time fussing with OST than anybody else. Alternatives,<br>
Variations, Permutations are not wrong, bad, or immoral -- but are not OST.<br>
And in research "facts" do matter. Despite our current (US) administration.<br>
So for me, if you a going to do research on Open Space Technology (OST) --<br>
it really needs to be done "by the book." The Book being, "Open Space<br>
Technology: A User's Guide 3rd Edition (Berrett- Koehler, 2008)" I might<br>
consider that the "Lab Book."<br>
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The experimental procedure is clearly laid out.<br>
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The "event" will be convened around an issue people seriously care about<br>
(Real issue - not pretend, made up, chosen at random).<br>
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All participants will come in response to a Real Invitation. One they can<br>
refuse. No coercion. All are present because they choose to be there.<br>
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Once present, participants will be invited to sit in a circle, create a<br>
bulletin board of the issues they care about, and the open a market place to<br>
make/confirm the times and places of meeting.<br>
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The Facilitator will be present only at the beginning (1st 15 min.) and<br>
appear again only at the end (of the day or program). In other words, The<br>
facilitator will NEVER intervene. NEVER. Picking up coffee cups is<br>
appropriate. Otherwise, being "present and invisible" -- is the rule.<br>
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Anything else... "Variants, Twists, Tweaks -- whatever ... is not OST. Could<br>
be great. May be fantastic. But it ain't OST.<br>
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And when it comes to "results" the "researcher" might check "Wave Rider:<br>
Leadership for High Performance in a Self Organizing World." That would be<br>
my best effort at a Final Report for the 30 year experiment. Which doesn't<br>
make it perfect, right or anything special. But it might be a place to<br>
start.<br>
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Hello.<br>
I`m working on an article about the experience with OST in Norwegian work-<br>
places, in particular municipalities.<br>
I wonder if there are som kind of overview of earlier research on the field,<br>
published and unpublished<br>
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All the best<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.dalarinternational.com/" target="_blank"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.dalarinternational.<wbr>com</span></span></a><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"></span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network
</span></span><a href="http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com/" target="_blank"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.<wbr>extraordinaryleadershipnetwork<wbr>.com</span></span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership
</span></span><a href="http://www.genuinecontactway.com/" target="_blank"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.genuinecontactway.<wbr>com</span></span></a><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd.
</span></span><a href="http://www.genuinecontact.net/" target="_blank"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.genuinecontact.net</span></span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture requiring agility and flexibility in a performance environment of constant change.</span></i></b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Leadership development at your own pace? Become a member of the Extraordinary Leadership Network
</span></span><a href="http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com/" target="_blank"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.<wbr>extraordinaryleadershipnetwork<wbr>.com</span></span></a><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
to participate in an online leadership development program designed to increase the leadership skills and capacity you need to perform in a performance environment of constant change.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">PO Box 19373, Raleigh, North Carolina, USA 27619</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7428408021108240001gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">phone:
<a href="tel:(919)%20522-7750" target="_blank">1-919-522-7750</a></span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Birgitt Williams</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, Inc.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.dalarinternational.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.dalarinternational.<wbr>com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt"></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network
</span><a href="http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.<wbr>extraordinaryleadershipnetwork<wbr>.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership
</span><a href="http://www.genuinecontactway.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.genuinecontactway.<wbr>com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd.
</span><a href="http://www.genuinecontact.net/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.genuinecontact.net</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture requiring agility and flexibility in a performance environment of constant change.</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Leadership development at your own pace? Become a member of the Extraordinary Leadership Network
</span><a href="http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">http://www.<wbr>extraordinaryleadershipnetwork<wbr>.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> to participate in an online leadership development
program designed to increase the leadership skills and capacity you need to perform in a performance environment of constant change.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">PO Box 19373, Raleigh, North Carolina, USA 27619</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">phone: <a href="tel:(919)%20522-7750" value="+19195227750" target="_blank">
1-919-522-7750</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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