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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ho<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Winter Address<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Summer Address<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucauire Ave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, ME 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>207 763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Websites<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.openspaceworld.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.ho-image.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>paul levy via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> Barry Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when we do one thing less - minimal intervention. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic facilitation to it).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self or selves are doing the organising.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Warm wishes <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul Levy <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in nashville, TN in the past 6 years.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle, and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks. Using it for other other purposes (Organizational Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original format.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My 2 cents <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This ain't Open Space!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><u><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Barry Owen</span></u></strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><br><b><i>Real Estate Strategist</i></b><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Founder/Principal Broker<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'>Pareto Realty, LLC </span></strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=bixpar02&word=Pareto&text=%5Cp%C9%99-%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%88%3C%2FSPAN%3Er%C4%81-(%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%8C%3C%2FSPAN%3E)t%C5%8D%5C" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0000CC'>\pə-</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";color:#0000CC'>ˈ</span><span style='color:#0000CC'>rā-(</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";color:#0000CC'>ˌ</span><span style='color:#0000CC'>)tō\</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>The Vital Few</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>4012 Hillsboro Pike #5<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Nashville, TN 37215 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Office: 615-502-2080<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Connect: <strong>615-568-2123</strong><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><a href="http://twitter.com/#!/barryowen" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0000CC'>Twitter</span></a>, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/barryo06" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0000CC'>Facebook</span></a>, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15553654&trk=tab_pro" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0000CC'>Linkedin</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><a href="http://whyjoinparetorealty.com/" target="_blank">WhyJoinParetoRealty.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><a href="http://paretorealty.com/" target="_blank">ParetoRealty.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><a href="http://barryowensblog.com/" target="_blank">BarryOwensBlog.com</a></span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Amanda<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Amanda Bucklow<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Independent Commercial Mediator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Martin,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but got them backwards…(oops)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>:o)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eva<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bästa hälsningar</span><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Handwriting";color:#1F497D'>Eva P Svensson</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:olive'>EPS Human Invest AB</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:olive'>Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc</span></i></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:olive'>Medlem i Beyond Performance Group</span></i></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:olive'>"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer"</span></i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA</span><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Besöksadress; 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Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates</span></i></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear friends,<br>Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it?<br>:o)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I<br>believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list before. :)<br><br>To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are different.<br>(This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany in the<br>last 4 years.)<br><br>* No circle at the beginning<br>* A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before things<br>start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc etc)<br>* When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to gauge<br>interest.<br>* The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for announcing<br>your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")<br>* and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you don't<br>get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)<br>* Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP before things<br>start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended<br>BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)<br>* Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because: YOU GET<br>TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by talking about<br>how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).<br>* Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how AMAZING it is.<br>* There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what gets<br>posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I attended, not<br>a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)<br>* "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts<br><br>One a more serious note:<br>Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is often used<br>for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing events":<br>In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a way to<br>save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with<br>eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"), whereas OST<br>functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...<br>thing. Or so.<br><br>Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say<br>something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is it?" I<br>get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen in Open<br>Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.<br><br>YMMV.<br><br>Martin<br><br>-- <br>Martin Röll, Görlitzer Str. 25, 01099 Dresden, Germany<br><a href="tel:%2B49%20178%204984743" target="_blank">+49 178 4984743</a>, @martinroell, <a href="http://www.roell.net/" target="_blank">http://www.roell.net</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','OSList@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','OSList@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','OSList@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org');" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>