<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Humoristic Poetry maybe?</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>AJ</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16570"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16495" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16494"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16493"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16492"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16503"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'paul levy' <paul@cats3000.net>; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:54 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472046167851_16571"><br><div id="yiv9669097990"><style>#yiv9669097990 #yiv9669097990 --
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Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when we do one thing less - minimal intervention. </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic facilitation to it).</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self or selves are doing the organising.</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful</div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Warm wishes </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990yqt2410453679" id="yiv9669097990yqt09418"><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Paul Levy </div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990yqt2410453679" id="yiv9669097990yqt58128"><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in nashville, TN in the past 6 years.</div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle, and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid. </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks. Using it for other other purposes (Organizational Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original format.</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">My 2 cents </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">This ain't Open Space!</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990yqt2410453679" id="yiv9669097990yqt20874"><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><strong><u><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Barry Owen</span></u></strong><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"><br clear="none"><b><i>Real Estate Strategist</i></b></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Founder/Principal Broker</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Pareto Realty, LLC </span></strong><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=bixpar02&word=Pareto&text=%5Cp%C9%99-%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%88%3C%2FSPAN%3Er%C4%81-(%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%8C%3C%2FSPAN%3E)t%C5%8D%5C"><span style="color:#0000CC;">\pə-</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">ˈ</span><span style="color:#0000CC;">rā-(</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">ˌ</span><span style="color:#0000CC;">)tō\</span></a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">The Vital Few</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">4012 Hillsboro Pike #5</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Nashville, TN 37215 </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Office: 615-502-2080</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Connect: <strong>615-568-2123</strong></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://twitter.com/#!/barryowen"><span style="color:#0000CC;">Twitter</span></a>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/barryo06"><span style="color:#0000CC;">Facebook</span></a>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15553654&trk=tab_pro"><span style="color:#0000CC;">Linkedin</span></a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://whyjoinparetorealty.com/">WhyJoinParetoRealty.com</a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://paretorealty.com/">ParetoRealty.com</a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://barryowensblog.com/">BarryOwensBlog.com</a></span></b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)</div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Amanda</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;">Amanda Bucklow</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;">Independent Commercial Mediator</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Martin,</div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but got them backwards…(oops)</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">:o)</div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">Eva</div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style=""><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;">Bästa hälsningar</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">Eva P Svensson</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">EPS Human Invest AB</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc</span></i></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Medlem i Beyond Performance Group</span></i></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer"</span></i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="">Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="">Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="">Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.epshumaninvest.se/">www.epshumaninvest.se</a></span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="">Skype: eva.p.svensson</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="">Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style="">twitter:@EvaPSvensson</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;">"Jag kan inte lära dig något. 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I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it?<br clear="none">:o)</div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><br clear="none">I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I<br clear="none">believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list before. :)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are different.<br clear="none">(This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany in the<br clear="none">last 4 years.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">* No circle at the beginning<br clear="none">* A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before things<br clear="none">start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc etc)<br clear="none">* When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to gauge<br clear="none">interest.<br clear="none">* The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for announcing<br clear="none">your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")<br clear="none">* and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you don't<br clear="none">get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)<br clear="none">* Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP before things<br clear="none">start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended<br clear="none">BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)<br clear="none">* Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because: YOU GET<br clear="none">TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by talking about<br clear="none">how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).<br clear="none">* Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how AMAZING it is.<br clear="none">* There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what gets<br clear="none">posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I attended, not<br clear="none">a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)<br clear="none">* "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts<br clear="none"><br clear="none">One a more serious note:<br clear="none">Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is often used<br clear="none">for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing events":<br clear="none">In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a way to<br clear="none">save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with<br clear="none">eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"), whereas OST<br clear="none">functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...<br clear="none">thing. Or so.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say<br clear="none">something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is it?" I<br clear="none">get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen in Open<br clear="none">Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">YMMV.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Martin<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Martin Röll, Görlitzer Str. 25, 01099 Dresden, Germany<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">+49 178 4984743</a>, @martinroell, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.roell.net/">http://www.roell.net</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OSList mailing list<br clear="none">To post send emails to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe send an email to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">Past archives can be viewed here: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OSList mailing list<br clear="none">To post send emails to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe send an email to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">Past archives can be viewed here: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OSList mailing list<br clear="none">To post send emails to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe send an email to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">Past archives can be viewed here: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></div></div></div><div class="yiv9669097990MsoNormal"> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="yqt2410453679" id="yqt20025">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">OSList mailing list<br clear="none">To post send emails to <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe send an email to <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br clear="none">Past archives can be viewed here: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>