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    Wow - thanks Birgitt. I very much enjoyed your perspective and
    resonate with it.<br>
    <br>
    I love trainings (as long as they're very little lecture and lots of
    experience, movement, creation and experiments... and play). I love
    the work of Sharon Bowman, "Training from the Back of the Room".
    It's almost required reading for moving up in the Scrum Alliance's
    trainer certification track. (Ack - did I say certification???!)<br>
    <br>
    Some questions:<br>
    <br>
    Is it wrong to take and enjoy an Open Space Training?<br>
    Do the trainers and the trainees deserve censure for taking and
    enjoying, sometimes multiple times, such trainings?<br>
    Is training a less than helpful word? Does it invoke Pavlovian
    punishment/reward processes, and sitting obediently around the
    guru/teacher?<br>
    <br>
    A little bit about "question storming" that I learned from the book
    by Warren Berger "<a href="http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/">A
      More Beautiful Question</a>". It can be useful to build more
    questions by taking yes/no ones like the ones above, and opening
    them. And it can be useful to do the reverse too! Turning open
    questions into yes/no ones.<br>
    <br>
    How can taking and enjoying trainings for Open Space be a good
    thing, and how can it be detrimental?<br>
    <br>
    How do both offering and taking trainings for Open Space Techonology
    close space? How could it open it?<br>
    <br>
    What other words invoke a more "Open Space" purpose and intent than
    "training"?<br>
    <br>
    How can the use of the word "Trainings" for Open Space actually be a
    benefit?<br>
    <br>
        Cheers,<br>
        Harold<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/16 11:59 AM, Birgitt Williams
      via OSList wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I just wanted to add a little to Harrison's point
        about 'unlearning'. In something we refer to as 'training' which
        is a misnomer unto itself, we have 
        <div>-unlearning</div>
        <div>-getting in touch with the mythology, story, and ritual
          that we are, in other words getting into genuine contact with
          ourselves</div>
        <div>-getting in even deeper genuine contact with ourselves
          until we can access the memories carried in our bones, in our
          cells, and in our hearts and souls of what is good, true and
          beautiful in us all and in our connections</div>
        <div>-this leads to genuine contact with another, with the
          collective and with Creator/Creation</div>
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        <div>Does it take 2 days? Does it take a lifetime? 2 days is a
          starting point....personally I prefer to offer a 4 day
          learning journey...not just about facilitation and the essence
          of OST....the form is after all quite simple....I like to
          include how to work with OST within a fixed system so that the
          outcomes from an OST meeting have their best chance to shift
          into action and positive results.</div>
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        <div>I took Harrison's OST training 4 day training 7
          times...learning more each time. I have offered countless OST
          trainings and learn more each time. Maybe it is a quirk of
          mine...I totally enjoyed three years deeply immersed in
          studying the circle...and these days I am enjoying learning
          the nuances of the breath as metaphor. Great joy!</div>
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        <div>Blessings all around,</div>
        <div>Birgitt<br>
          <br>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:08 AM Harrison Owen
              via OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul
                      – Good to see you! And I was struck with your
                      question…</span> “How can it possibly take 2 days
                    to "teach"</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">OST and why would anyone ever
                    want to teach it anyway ?” In my experience it
                    certainly does not take 2 days to “teach” Open
                    Space. BUT it does seem to take two days to get even
                    a minimal start on un-learning all the stuff we
                    thought we knew about working together – All the
                    stuff that clogs up our space so that working
                    becomes difficult and sometimes impossible. </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Harrison</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        OSList [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"
                          target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>paul levy via OSList<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:06 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Harold Shinsato; World wide Open
                        Space Technology email list<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Renewing the
                        Mission of the Open Space Institute U.S.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Harold</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> A few more questions ...</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Warm wishes </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Why are we still calling OST a
                      technology ?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Why is the LAW of two feel a
                      law ?</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">If the "principles" are not
                      prescriptions but descriptions why are they called
                      principles ?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">How can it possibly take 2 days
                      to "teach"</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">OST and why would anyone ever
                      want to teach it anyway ?</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Why do OST "elders" on the
                      OS list keep advocating dogmatic views about OST?
                      (Oh yes you do)</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">What if one less thing to do
                      was facilitation ?</p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">How could OSI begin a humble
                      inquiry into new and valuable ways of opening
                      space? And learn from them ?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">What questions do we need to
                      ask that cannot be formed into latinised words and
                      phrases ?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Where is open space technology
                      when the world needs to open space most - right
                      now ?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      <br>
                      On Monday, 18 July 2016, Harold Shinsato via
                      OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
                        target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
                      wrote:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                        People of Open Space:<br>
                        <br>
                        The Open Space Institute of the U.S. has been
                        "holding space for open space" since at least
                        1997. It's origins lie in the summer of 1996, 20
                        years ago. In the beginnings, there were many
                        serious conversations in the community as to the
                        role and mission of such an institute, and that
                        role has certainly evolved over the years. The
                        board has determined it is time for us to
                        revisit our mission and role, and especially to
                        invite and trust the rest of the community
                        refresh and renew our purpose.<br>
                        <br>
                        Rather than have a mission statement, we hope
                        instead to have a mission question. Or series of
                        questions. What are the most valuable and alive
                        questions for our community right now, and for
                        the foreseeable future?<br>
                        <br>
                        To start the "question storming", here are some
                        questions that have been reportedly asked deeply
                        within our community in the early days:<br>
                        <br>
                        What is Open Space Technology?<br>
                        What is Open Space?<br>
                        What is Space?<br>
                        <br>
                        And here are some practical questions that would
                        help guide the OSI-US's operations:<br>
                        <br>
                        How can the OSI-US best support our community?<br>
                        How can we best work together with the community
                        to co-create a broad and diverse circle of
                        people holding space for open space?<br>
                        <br>
                            Thanks!<br>
                            Harold Shinsato<br>
                            on behalf of the Board of the Open Space
                        Institute, U.S.</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
                          Harold Shinsato<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://shinsato.com" target="_blank">http://shinsato.com</a><br>
                          twitter: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://twitter.com/hajush"
                            target="_blank">@hajush</a></p>
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