<html>
  <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"
      http-equiv="Content-Type">
  </head>
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    Hi Birgitt,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for your feedback. I'm enjoying using the "given" concept on
    the OSList, though I consider it less of a given, or rule, and
    hopefully more an invitation to initiate lots of awesome threads
    around each question or set of questions.<br>
    <br>
    We really could use help invigorating the mission of the OSI-US, and
    at least we'd like to experiment with the idea that questions might
    be more powerful than answers. I'm hoping you'll accept my
    invitation to generate questions, but not consider it at all or in
    any way to discourage folks from offering answers. But hopefully
    you'll allow some space... just in a subject line... for questions.<br>
    <br>
    And... that said... to paraphrase boisterously... whatever
    happens... is....<br>
    <br>
    I'm extraordinarily happy you're having fun. And let the fun
    proceed!<br>
    <br>
        Thanks!<br>
        Harold<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/16 12:20 PM, Birgitt Williams
      via OSList wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAKF340jPMaA_A8QwRsWzZhB+2knG9qV53-1t+bHqv5NfSu3Y9A@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Hi Harold, 
        <div>You offered such a wonderful example of a 'given' that was
          not initially expressed and then came in with it
          later---something that can reduce or close a space when that
          happens. You opened space for inputs for the purpose of
          helping the Mission of the OS Institute US. By our nature and
          the freedom we experience in OST, those of us following the
          thread get inspired to respond to the questions...so far
          Harrison, Chris and myself have done so. Personally, I
          initially thought 'why questions?' and 'will this inspire
          me?'. And then as I saw the questions coming in, I wanted to
          jump in and answer as the very nature of some of the questions
          are provocative and if left unanswered, could incorrectly
          convey an opinion or conclusion. I was absolutely fascinated
          and I thought "Harold is so brilliant in asking for
          questions....this is the most fun I have had on the list in a
          long time, like having a whole buffet menu of topics to zero
          in on and contribute my thoughts to". Now, I am quite curious
          if we will stay within this new 'given' or just follow our
          inspiration.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thank you for a fascinating experience,</div>
        <div>Birgitt<br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:10 PM Chris
              Corrigan via OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
              wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Okay!  
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>(But sometimes where ever it happens is the right
                  place…:-) )</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Cheers,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Chris</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                  <div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div>On Jul 19, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Harold Shinsato
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com"
                          target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a>>
                        wrote:</div>
                      <br>
                      <div>
                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Chris,<br>
                          <br>
                          Since the thread is about helping the OSI-US
                          find "mission questions", rather than
                          answering the questions, I would encourage and
                          invite you to reflect on these questions in
                          separate threads to make the reflections
                          easier to see and connect with via the subject
                          line.<br>
                          <br>
                          I look forward to your reflections!<br>
                          <br>
                              Thanks!<br>
                              Harold</div>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div>
                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
                          <br>
                          <div>On 7/19/16 11:13 AM, Chris Corrigan
                            wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div>I like your questions Paul. They’re
                              interesting! Can I add some reflections on
                              them?  </div>
                            <div><br>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:06 AM, paul
                                    levy via OSList <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>>
                                    wrote:</div>
                                  <br>
                                  <div>Harold
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> A few more questions ...</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Warm wishes </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Paul</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Why are we still calling OST a
                                      technology ?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Still called a technology because
                                  it’s cheeky.  That’s my take anyway.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Why is the LAW of two feel a
                                      law ?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                Law because, like the law of gravity it
                                seems to be fundamentally inviolable. So
                                it’s helpful to acknowledge it.  You
                                could probably acknowledge the law of
                                gravity too, if you wanted to remind
                                people not to drop their stuff. But at
                                least acknowledging the law of mobility
                                helps people understand why folks wander
                                off during sessions.</div>
                              <div><br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>If the "principles" are not
                                      prescriptions but descriptions why
                                      are they called principles ?</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Principles don’t have to be
                                  prescriptive to be principles.  These
                                  four principles seem to capture four
                                  things (or five) that work about open
                                  space.  They are provocative and
                                  interesting and disruptive to normal
                                  meeting procedures.  And I have done
                                  many Open Space meetings without
                                  talking about them at all. </div>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div>How can it possibly take 2 days
                                      to <span></span>"teach"</div>
                                    <div>OST and why would anyone ever
                                      want to teach it anyway ?</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>It doesn’t take two days to “teach"
                                  Open Space Technology.  But to spend
                                  two days with other practitioners who
                                  are learning, thinking about, and
                                  trading ideas on using OST seems to
                                  accelerate people’s practice and use
                                  of the process and the underlying view
                                  of the world that it encapsulates.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Open Space Technology is not
                                  “teacheable” but it is learnable. 
                                  How’s that for a provocative
                                  proposition?</div>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div>Why do OST "elders" on the
                                      OS list keep advocating dogmatic
                                      views about OST? (Oh yes you do)</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Who are these “elders" of which you
                                  speak?</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div>What if one less thing to do
                                      was facilitation ?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Yup.</div>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>How could OSI begin a humble
                                      inquiry into new and valuable ways
                                      of opening space? And learn from
                                      them ?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                This is a really great question. 
                                Juanita Brown has convened a
                                conversation on “the central garden” of
                                participatory methods that is just such
                                a humble inquiry. So humble that it has
                                been approached slowly and quietly, and
                                I’m sure she would welcome many others
                                joining.  She’s been at it for a while: <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.theworldcafe.com/more-from-juanita-brown/"
                                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.theworldcafe.com/more-from-juanita-brown/">http://www.theworldcafe.com/more-from-juanita-brown/</a></a><br>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div>What questions do we need to
                                      ask that cannot be formed into
                                      latinised words and phrases ?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>This one:</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7FF2/production/_90345723_mediaitem90345722.jpg"
                                    target="_blank">http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7FF2/production/_90345723_mediaitem90345722.jpg</a></div>
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Where is open space technology
                                      when the world needs to open space
                                      most - right now ?</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>It is right here where it has
                                  always been.   And I think there is a
                                  lot of space being opened in the world
                                  right now, in all kinds of ways. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Opening space is not a guarantee of
                                  peace and good times. When space opens
                                  so too does authentic human voice.
                                  People that have been silent claim
                                  sound. People that have been displaced
                                  look for a new home. People that have
                                  been backed into corners clamp down on
                                  control and fear.  Does the world need
                                  open space most now? Or has open space
                                  given us the world we live in now?</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>We have no guarantee of safety in
                                  this world. And when space open for
                                  some, others who didn’t ever realize
                                  they were taking up so much, suddenly
                                  start getting quite worried.  It’s
                                  nice to imagine the tables being
                                  turned over, unless one of the tables
                                  is mine.  </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Chris</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div>
                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                          <div>-- <br>
                            Harold Shinsato<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com"
                              target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://shinsato.com/"
                              target="_blank">http://shinsato.com</a><br>
                            twitter: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://twitter.com/hajush"
                              target="_blank">@hajush</a></div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              _______________________________________________<br>
              OSList mailing list<br>
              To post send emails to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"
                target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
              To unsubscribe send an email to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"
                target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
              To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>
              Past archives can be viewed here: <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></blockquote>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
To unsubscribe send an email to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a>
Past archives can be viewed here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
      Harold Shinsato<br>
      <a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
      <a href="http://shinsato.com">http://shinsato.com</a><br>
      twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/hajush">@hajush</a></div>
  </body>
</html>