<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Learning how to facilitate meeting is artisinal knowledge, meaning that you learn it like an art.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“Training” is largely a term associated with acquiring technical skills that are easily demonstrated and acquired: how to fasten two pieces of metal together for example. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Artisanal knowledge is transferred through practice, mentorship, apprenticeship and craft. Usually when you learn something as an artist, you fail at it the first few times you do it. This makes it hard to certify artisnal knowledge, because if you do it well, you are helping people learn how to fail well. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So my question to you all is, what in your personal practice supports an artisanal approach to mentoring others to become good OST facilitators?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Chris</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Wow - thanks Birgitt. I very much enjoyed your perspective and
resonate with it.<br class="">
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I love trainings (as long as they're very little lecture and lots of
experience, movement, creation and experiments... and play). I love
the work of Sharon Bowman, "Training from the Back of the Room".
It's almost required reading for moving up in the Scrum Alliance's
trainer certification track. (Ack - did I say certification???!)<br class="">
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Some questions:<br class="">
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Is it wrong to take and enjoy an Open Space Training?<br class="">
Do the trainers and the trainees deserve censure for taking and
enjoying, sometimes multiple times, such trainings?<br class="">
Is training a less than helpful word? Does it invoke Pavlovian
punishment/reward processes, and sitting obediently around the
guru/teacher?<br class="">
<br class="">
A little bit about "question storming" that I learned from the book
by Warren Berger "<a href="http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/" class="">A
More Beautiful Question</a>". It can be useful to build more
questions by taking yes/no ones like the ones above, and opening
them. And it can be useful to do the reverse too! Turning open
questions into yes/no ones.<br class="">
<br class="">
How can taking and enjoying trainings for Open Space be a good
thing, and how can it be detrimental?<br class="">
<br class="">
How do both offering and taking trainings for Open Space Techonology
close space? How could it open it?<br class="">
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What other words invoke a more "Open Space" purpose and intent than
"training"?<br class="">
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How can the use of the word "Trainings" for Open Space actually be a
benefit?<br class="">
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Cheers,<br class="">
Harold<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/16 11:59 AM, Birgitt Williams
via OSList wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I just wanted to add a little to Harrison's point
about 'unlearning'. In something we refer to as 'training' which
is a misnomer unto itself, we have
<div class="">-unlearning</div>
<div class="">-getting in touch with the mythology, story, and ritual
that we are, in other words getting into genuine contact with
ourselves</div>
<div class="">-getting in even deeper genuine contact with ourselves
until we can access the memories carried in our bones, in our
cells, and in our hearts and souls of what is good, true and
beautiful in us all and in our connections</div>
<div class="">-this leads to genuine contact with another, with the
collective and with Creator/Creation</div>
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<div class="">Does it take 2 days? Does it take a lifetime? 2 days is a
starting point....personally I prefer to offer a 4 day
learning journey...not just about facilitation and the essence
of OST....the form is after all quite simple....I like to
include how to work with OST within a fixed system so that the
outcomes from an OST meeting have their best chance to shift
into action and positive results.</div>
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<div class="">I took Harrison's OST training 4 day training 7
times...learning more each time. I have offered countless OST
trainings and learn more each time. Maybe it is a quirk of
mine...I totally enjoyed three years deeply immersed in
studying the circle...and these days I am enjoying learning
the nuances of the breath as metaphor. Great joy!</div>
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<div class="">Blessings all around,</div>
<div class="">Birgitt<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:08 AM Harrison Owen
via OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Paul
– Good to see you! And I was struck with your
question…</span> “How can it possibly take 2 days
to "teach"</p><p class="MsoNormal">OST and why would anyone ever
want to teach it anyway ?” In my experience it
certainly does not take 2 days to “teach” Open
Space. BUT it does seem to take two days to get even
a minimal start on un-learning all the stuff we
thought we knew about working together – All the
stuff that clogs up our space so that working
becomes difficult and sometimes impossible. </p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">Harrison</p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="">
OSList [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" class="">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>paul levy via OSList<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:06 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Harold Shinsato; World wide Open
Space Technology email list<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Renewing the
Mission of the Open Space Institute U.S.</span></p>
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<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">Harold</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> A few more questions ...</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Warm wishes </p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Why are we still calling OST a
technology ?</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Why is the LAW of two feel a
law ?</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If the "principles" are not
prescriptions but descriptions why are they called
principles ?</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">How can it possibly take 2 days
to "teach"</p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">OST and why would anyone ever
want to teach it anyway ?</p>
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<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Why do OST "elders" on the
OS list keep advocating dogmatic views about OST?
(Oh yes you do)</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">What if one less thing to do
was facilitation ?</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">How could OSI begin a humble
inquiry into new and valuable ways of opening
space? And learn from them ?</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">What questions do we need to
ask that cannot be formed into latinised words and
phrases ?</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Where is open space technology
when the world needs to open space most - right
now ?</p>
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On Monday, 18 July 2016, Harold Shinsato via
OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
People of Open Space:<br class="">
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The Open Space Institute of the U.S. has been
"holding space for open space" since at least
1997. It's origins lie in the summer of 1996, 20
years ago. In the beginnings, there were many
serious conversations in the community as to the
role and mission of such an institute, and that
role has certainly evolved over the years. The
board has determined it is time for us to
revisit our mission and role, and especially to
invite and trust the rest of the community
refresh and renew our purpose.<br class="">
<br class="">
Rather than have a mission statement, we hope
instead to have a mission question. Or series of
questions. What are the most valuable and alive
questions for our community right now, and for
the foreseeable future?<br class="">
<br class="">
To start the "question storming", here are some
questions that have been reportedly asked deeply
within our community in the early days:<br class="">
<br class="">
What is Open Space Technology?<br class="">
What is Open Space?<br class="">
What is Space?<br class="">
<br class="">
And here are some practical questions that would
help guide the OSI-US's operations:<br class="">
<br class="">
How can the OSI-US best support our community?<br class="">
How can we best work together with the community
to co-create a broad and diverse circle of
people holding space for open space?<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks!<br class="">
Harold Shinsato<br class="">
on behalf of the Board of the Open Space
Institute, U.S.</p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br class="">
Harold Shinsato<br class="">
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