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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/30/15 10:17 AM, Blundell, Keith
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<div dir="ltr">Dear All,
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<div>Trying to promote OS within a business world I find this
discussion interesting</div>
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<div>I can see that formally authorising the event as Daniel
points out brings with it a commitment to make something
happen afterwards.</div>
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<div>What I have always struggled with is that if a meeting is
booked by someone in authority then the likelihood is that the
invitees will turn up. So the invite is not a invite - it is
seen as "a meeting I need to go to". </div>
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Wait. Stop right there. Now, they MAY show up our of an implied
sense of "or else" obligation-- REGARDLESS of how inviting the
invitation is from authority. They may show up "popping popcorn" to
watch "the movie" and not participate. Or they may simply show up
for no reason at all. All of which is welcome. Because once that
genie (the "jin") is out of the bottle...<br>
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<div>No bad thing in itself I suppose, but I want the attendees
to have a passion about the theme, that "whoever comes are the
right people". Arguably having got them in the room, then
passions maybe stirred but.... In some meetings I have
observed that there is good attendance, but many turn up
because they are curious, and then drift away.<br>
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Yea. And that is exactly how we like, the dispassionate and the
not-responsible, vacating. Who's left in the room?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">In the end does it matter? Am I being
to pedantic in my thinking? Given "Whatever happens" and the
law of two feet, should I be concerned?</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">What do others think?</div>
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Yes. I notice that often, when we are debating this, or that, others
have successfully completed 4 or 5 experiments. They are now in
possession of valuable and validate learning, while we are in
possession of our opinions. <br>
<br>
I notice that opinions are very plentiful, perhaps because they are
cheap to produce? Not sure.<br>
<br>
I must say, I am greatly enjoying the experiment of this post. Your
reply is very energizing<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 November 2015 at 14:24, Rosa
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<div>Hi Daniel, congratulations on an amazing piece!<br>
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As you mention, "authority" is a very loaded
subject...<br>
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<div>My understanding is that the group relations
perspective, holds (along with Koos!) that as adults,
the ultimate authority for anything ultimately comes
from ourselves. WE are the ones who "authorize" formal
authorities -- without our own willingness to continue
to authorize them, their authority would disappear. Is
that your understanding, as well?<br>
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<div>AND... as you point out, things are a bit more
complex than that!<br>
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<div>For one thing... as children... we were all
helpless to one degree or another, and so I would
hesitate to say that we were 'authorizing' our parents
or whatever crazyness was happening in our families of
origin... <br>
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<div>then, as adults... our feelings of helplessness
often get triggered by our dysfunctional economic
systems... for example, in a situation where jobs are
few and far between, someone might well feel quite
insulted at being told that they are "authorizing"
their boss who happens to be a bully. The person who
is being bullied, may not be in a position where they
have an easy option of changing jobs... <br>
<br>
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<div>(A side note... one fascinating piece of work in
this regard, is Michael Lerner's book "Surplus
Powerlessness"... in it, he lays out the perspective
that by promoting the "American dream" ideology of
"everyone can achieve anything they want", and
concurrently systematically ignoring all of the many
real constraints to our freedom, we contribute to
creating a culture where people end up blaming
themselves for not achieving their dreams -- and thus,
end up feeling MORE powerless, than if we were to
acknowledge the real constraints and focused on the
small-yet-ever-present "windows of possibility"...)<br>
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<div>Anyway, I would say that yes, as adults, we are the
ones who authorize any authorities, including both the
informal authorities as well as the formal
authorities. To whatever degree that we are
uncomfortable with our own authority, we are
participating in the creation of a leaderless world,
to our own and others' detriment -- since too many
people in positions of formal authority are not, in
fact, leaders; and to whatever degree they <i>are</i>
leading, they are NOT leading us toward a world that
works for all.<br>
<br>
Conversely, to the degree that we become more
comfortable with our own authority, we are
contributing to a more leaderful world....<br>
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<div>and of course, OST is a wonderful way to bring out
the leader in each person, as it encourages each of
us, to be the author of our own experience.<br>
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<div>with all best wishes,<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:05
AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply. Regarding "unauthorized"
or not formally-authorized OST in organizations,
remember, I am framing the discussion inside the
wider context of a typical business corporation,
one trying to improve by considering some changes.
I am not talking about any other context. OST is
often used for Agile retrospectives for example. I
am not talking about that.<br>
<br>
So the context for discussion I am suggesting is
the context of a typical business corporation, one
trying to improve by considering some
enterprise-wide (or division-wide) changes. A
wide-scope change.<br>
<br>
Typically, these changes are a "push from
authority" without respect to what the people who
do the work want, think or feel. Many Agile
frameworks (most notably "SAFe") are implemented
in this way. As push. <br>
<br>
Open Space offers a refreshing alternative to
mandates, "push", and formally authorized
coercion. Or so it seems. Since most formally
authorized leaders cannot commit to the so-called
"risk of Open Space," the wide-scope OST usually
(almost) never happens. Meanwhile, everybody knows
the issues and that they might never see the light
of day in any kind of formally authorized way. <br>
<br>
Now, getting back your comment, yes: anyone can
hold an Open Space event at any time, about any
thing, for any reason. At issue is what happens
next. Perhaps a group can meet to discuss HOW to
get some attention to key issues from formally
authorized leaders. Etc. As you yourself say,
"folks knew full well that formal authorization
was needed and had figured out ways addressing
that need."<br>
<br>
What I'm really, really interested in is
deconstructing OST in authority terms, and
advancing that know-how, so that it can be reduced
to explicit knowledge that others can access
quickly in service to...progress. That essay is my
naive attempt to actually begin the process.<span><font
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<div>On 11/30/15 6:26 AM, Michael M Pannwitz
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Dear Daniel, <br>
<br>
somehow, I dont see what has happened in
almost all os gatherings I have facilitated:
people deciding to act and actually going
ahead with it after the gathering not being
formally authorized. <br>
As this happened regularly I wondered how
those self-authorized activities fared or
got along with formal authorization.
Eventually, I found out that folks knew full
well that formal authorization was needed
and had figured out ways addressing that
need. <br>
<br>
I wondered about Beth. Did she and her group
simply suggested something formal authority
should do or was she and others involved in
implementing the stuff they were interested
in? <br>
<br>
Invariably, I as facilitator would intervene
with some off-handed remark about
"suggestions" or "recommendations" or what
xyz should do pointing out that there is
nothing wrong with that but .... <br>
<br>
cheers <br>
mmp <br>
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On 30.11.2015 12:15, Daniel Mezick via
OSList wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Koos, <br>
<br>
Thanks for your comment on personal
passion. There's this very <br>
interesting paper on the various authority
types (informal, formal, <br>
personal) which is pretty good, I am
including it here if you want to <br>
check it out. <br>
<br>
I hear you when you say "I can initiate
that process of authorizing <br>
myself by taking responsibility for my
passion." This is exactly what we <br>
hope will happen inside company-sponsored
OST events. <br>
<br>
Within the context of Open Space held in
an organization that wants to <br>
explore an enterprise-wide change, we can
expect the following to be <br>
true, if the event is to work well: <br>
<br>
1. Formally Authorized Leader. A person
formally and highly authorized <br>
by the organization sends an invite with a
theme. This "formally <br>
authorizes" the time and space for the
gathering. <br>
<br>
2. Proceedings and Intent to Act- with
Inclusion. That same person <br>
welcomes everyone on event-day, and at the
opening, encourages the <br>
generation of proceedings, and signals
that those proceedings will be <br>
inspected and acted upon, not just by the
formally authorized leaders <br>
(the so-called "higher ups") but also with
the new and emerging leaders <br>
who have identified themselves during the
event ("be prepared to be <br>
surprised.") In other words, the people
present are being invited to <br>
have their say, document it, and expect
that these issues are going be <br>
input into a formally authorized and
inclusive process of deciding, <br>
acting, and improving things. <br>
<br>
<br>
Now, absent these two facts, how
"important" is the OST event? How much <br>
"action" can ensue? <br>
<br>
1. Formally Authorized Leader. No formally
authorized leader issuing the <br>
invite? Or someone /without enough
authorization to matter?/ The signal <br>
is clear: this theme (and this event) is
/not important/ to the people <br>
who make the decisions. <br>
<br>
2. Proceedings and Intent to Act- with
Inclusion. Since no one in the <br>
room has enough formal authority to
implement plans suggested in the <br>
proceedings, we can reasonably expect
nothing whatsoever to ensue in <br>
formal terms after the meeting. This,
because people who /could/ do <br>
something about it (those formally
authorized by the organization) "do <br>
not care." <br>
<br>
So- the highly authorized Sponsor (or
Host) is essential. Otherwise, in <br>
authority terms, the OST event and what
happens there just doesn't <br>
matter from an organizational point of
view. It cannot have much of an <br>
impact. <br>
<br>
Much ado about nothing? <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Here's that paper I mentioned earlier: <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
<br>
<br>
I notice that most people prefer to avoid
discussing authority. Since <br>
our families are the first place where we
encounter this concept and <br>
develop our relationship with it, perhaps
it is true that discussing <br>
authority can be very triggering. Thanks
for sticking your neck out and <br>
I certainly hope to hear back from you and
others on this thread. <br>
<br>
Daniel <br>
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On 11/30/15 12:57 AM, Koos de Heer wrote:
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Hi Daniel, <br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you for an interesting line of
thought. What I am thinking is <br>
that there is also the aspect of a
person standing up and speaking for <br>
a passion that they have (be it in the
form of raising a topic or just <br>
speaking in a break out session) and in
that way claiming authority. <br>
In your essay, authority seems to always
come from someone else. And <br>
of course authority only is there when
others believe it to be there. <br>
But the initiative to bestow authority
on me does not always come from <br>
others. I can also initiate that process
of authorizing myself by <br>
taking responsibility for my passion. <br>
<br>
Koos <br>
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*Onderwerp:* [OSList] What's authority
got to do with Open Space ? <br>
<br>
What's authority got to do with Open
Space ? Apparently nothing at <br>
all, at least on the surface... <br>
<br>
Wait. Once we peek under the surface,
what do we actually find? <br>
<br>
This completely heretical essay attempts
to answer at least part of <br>
that question. <br>
<br>
The context is the use of Open Space in
a large business enterprise, <br>
convened with intent to explore the
potential for making a very big, <br>
very complex enterprise-wide change. <br>
<br>
{Please note, the word "authority" might
trigger feelings of: <br>
/soul-sucking bureaucracy/, unfair and
/_illegitimate leadership <br>
hierarchy_/, and the like. Some
"triggered" readers may want to <br>
opt-out of continuing at this time...) <br>
<br>
Authority Distribution in Open Space: <br>
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Open Space is a most interesting format
for "gathering,", also known <br>
as "meeting." <br>
<br>
What exactly is going on in Open Space?
<br>
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