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Now, wow! <br>
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It appears Pernilla Luttropp may have some legitimately clairvoyant
powers! I mean seriously. She may be able to see the future.<br>
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For example, she has (by all appearances) anticipated and fully
answered most of these questions, almost 10 full days in advance of
these questions actually being asked:<br>
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Questions: from 10/8, yesterday:<br>
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<div><i>how does this essay inform your practice of opening space?
or participating on the list? </i><i>if everything in the essay
is true, what </i><i>should</i><i> the next wosonos invitation
process look like? </i><i>can we put this in practice terms? </i><i>what
is one to do in the presence of tyrannizing structurelessness?
what has anyone done in the past, in those instances you've
seen, that made some positive difference? <br>
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Answers: from 9/30, almost 10 full days previous:<br>
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<font size="2"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size:10pt"><big><big><big>The countries/places
that wish to host a future WOSONOS could post this on
the OSLIST and Facebook and send a gentle reminder a few
weeks before the upcoming WOSONOS. The inviting hosts
would then be posted on a flip chart at the WOSONOS and
announced as a session when creating the bulletin board
or at the evening news. As always there is the
opportunity to add places, sessions and news
announcements up until the closing circle, both on the
spot and via other ways of communicating. This would
make it easier for everyone to approach the hosts,
express their delight or ask clarifying questions. It
would also enable the hosts (or their representatives)
to come together in a session and find out how they
would like to do the invitations in the closing circle.
Maybe some will wait until next year? Maybe multiple
WOSONOSes in one year? Maybe in different continents at
the same time? Maybe with different themes/urgent
questions?</big><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/15 5:23 PM, Michael Herman
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAD8j=QF6TCojDOzruzPLJPzp=1KkQE9kBvGdkw8aK4tHpONkZw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">i love this bit about bucky the verb, harold.
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<div>what i don't understand about this tyranny business is that
it sounds like somebody, the system or some people are doing
some other people wrong. ÃÂÃÂ alternatively, that somehow
-- naturally or maybe just unconsciously or unintentionally --
winners and losers, ins and outs, are being created. ÃÂÃÂ i
can't tell if the suggestion is that this is a malicious thing
to be defeated, a natural thing to observe, or some kind of
problem to be solved. ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>leaving aside those instances when people do truly horrible
things to others, how does this tyranny story square with the
core open space story that each of us is ultimately
responsible for our own experience, we all have two feet or
some equivalent and need to use them for ourselves? ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>how does this essay inform your practice of opening space?
ÃÂÃÂ or participating on the list? ÃÂÃÂ if everything in
the essay is true, what should the next wosonos invitation
process look like? ÃÂÃÂ can we put this in practice terms?
ÃÂÃÂ what is one to do in the presence of tyrannizing
structurelessness? ÃÂÃÂ what has anyone done in the past,
in those instances you've seen, that made some positive
difference? ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>ÃÂÃÂ <br>
--<br>
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Michael Herman<br>
Michael Herman Associates<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:41 PM,
Michael Herman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelherman.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">you've made my statement a little stronger
than i did, daniel. ÃÂÃÂ i said i didn't see the
connection, not that there wasn't one. ÃÂÃÂ i'm
catching up here not resisting. ÃÂÃÂ i'm inquiring.
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<div>in the situation of osonos, it seems to me that we
have a formal practice, written up in the users guide,
wherein it is written that anyone can post a topic and
people will have the right to choose what they want to
attend. ÃÂÃÂ but we don't actually do that in
selecting osonos sites. ÃÂÃÂ we often default
informally to old habits like voting. ÃÂÃÂ or said
another way, i guess i can't quite determine what is
formal and informal structure, or which one is maybe
running over the other. ÃÂÃÂ we have oslist faq's but
probably not many people read and live by them.
ÃÂÃÂ it would seem we're not at a loss for formal
structure, we just prefer to operate by informal habits.
ÃÂÃÂ that's not uncommon, is it? ÃÂÃÂ harrison's
line about, "if we did business here the way we say we
do business, we'd be out of business," comes to mind.
ÃÂÃÂ and the union tactic of working to rule.
ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>so is the question you're asking here about the
relative value of formal and informal structures?
ÃÂÃÂ are you suggesting formal structures are better
than informal? ÃÂÃÂ am i still missing something?</div>
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<div>ÃÂÃÂ <br>
--<br>
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Michael Herman<br>
Michael Herman Associates<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://MichaelHerman.com"
target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org"
target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:41
AM, Daniel Mezick <span dir="ltr"><<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net">dan@newtechusa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Greeting
All, Greeeetings Michael,<br>
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Wow. Michael. Seriously. You can really type
(and talk) a blue streak. You know? You're
wearing me out...<br>
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...no no, just kidding. I'm not QUITE exhausted
yet...I've had time to rest up! <br>
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So, by all means keep it coming. I'm rested and
ready!<br>
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<br>
....Now: A couple things do stand out here:<br>
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1. The Tyranny of Inquiry? <br>
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Michael, you say:<span><br>
"i notice that you said in your first message
that you find this "extremely interesting" <b>but
you've yet to say why.</b>"<br>
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</span> Wait. Stop right there. <br>
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Earlier, you ask: <br>
<span>
<div>"<b>Is it not some kind of tyranny</b> we
all attempt over and over again <b>when we
expect and insist that the world explain
itself to/for us?</b>"<br>
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</span> (brief pause of silence here, for an
ironic, even paradoxical effect....)<br>
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Seriously.ÃÂÃÂ Inquiry is good!ÃÂÃÂ
There is no tyranny to be found in it.<br>
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I like the essay because it speaks to a really,
really, important topic, namely: <br>
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The various problems with informal
authority-distribution, inside groups that
devalue "structure," or value other things
-over- "structure."<br>
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I also like this essay because it feels very
timely and pertinent with respect to Pernilla
Luttropp's recent (and important) post on
decision-making, entitled: "An invitation to
future invitations to WOSONOS."<br>
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2. Some Disconnected Dots?<br>
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You express:<span><br>
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"i'm having some trouble connecting "elites,"
"movement," "authorization" and some other
terms in the essay to my experience in open
space and on the list. the essay seems to want
to fix a problem, <b>but one that's not
familiar to me, at least not as a sort of
thing to be solved."</b><br>
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</span> I'm assuming, perhaps incorrectly,
Michael, that you have completely examined this
essay. <br>
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To be clear: You are not familiar with <i>any</i>
of the many problems (not even one) described in
this essay? <br>
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If you are familiar with any of these, then you
see them as <i>"not as a sort of thing to be
solved?"</i><br>
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(For the record, the term "authorization" does
not appear anywhere in this essay. The term
"authority" does appear 5 times.)<br>
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Now: We've recently had exactly the type of
concerns the essay addresses, voiced right here
on OSLIST recently. <br>
<br>
You yourself are a heavy contributor Pernilla
Luttropp's post, "An invitation to future
invitations to WOSONOS." <br>
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<br>
Here is a part of that, provided for convenience
(I copied this verbatim from the post, with my
emphasis added...)<br>
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<BEGIN><br>
<i>"At the inspiring WOSONOS in Krakow there
were some learning conversations on how this
community goes about when expressing and
accepting</i><em> invitations from
countries/places to host the upcoming
WOSONOSes. In the big circle <b>there were
voices that expressed some confusion and
discomfort </b>with the process...</em><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><em>"...<b>There seems to be something
unclear</b> about the "tradition" <b>on how
to get information about who is inviting and
why. </b>If that information were <b>transparent
from the very start </b>of the WOSONOS, it
might enable more dialogue with the inviting
hosts and between the hosts."<br>
<END><br>
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</em> <br>
This expression by Pernilla is about how
decisions. About how future-WOSONOS-venues are
identified, developed, and then authorized.<br>
<br>
This issue does pertain quite directly, I think,
to the essay. Right? I wonder if others reading
agree, or disagree. <br>
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Either way, it is always great when a new voice
shows up!<br>
<br>
Here is the specific part of the essay that
clearly pertains: emphasis added...<br>
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<BEGIN><br>
<big>For everyone to have the opportunity to be
involved in a given group and to participate
in its activities <b>the structure must be
explicit, not implicit. The rules of
decision-making must be open and available
to everyone, and this can happen only if
they are formalized.</b> This is not to say
that formalization of a structure of a group
will destroy the informal structure. It
usually doesn't. But it does hinder the
informal structure from having predominant
control and make available some means of
attacking it if the people involved are not at
least responsible to the needs of the group at
large. </big><em><br>
<END></em><br>
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I wonder if anyone else (besides Michael) thinks
that these two items, what Pernilla is saying
and what this essay is saying, are in no way
related?
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<div>On 10/7/15 4:48 PM, Michael Herman
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">wasn't actually intended as
personal feedback, daniel. ÃÂÃÂ was
meant to be a comment on the territory
we all share, even when we might, any of
us, feel in the moment like an outsider,
that disorientation is actually a part
of being included in the experience of
open space. ÃÂÃÂ ÃÂÃÂ
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<div>as for the essay, i guess i'm still
a little unclear about the connection.
ÃÂÃÂ open space doesn't strike me
as any sort of striving for
structurelessness. ÃÂÃÂ and i've
seen both formal and informal
structure arise in open space.
ÃÂÃÂ harrison's term in his
"millennial organization" book and
what i've seen happen is "appropriate
levels of structure and control."
ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>the oslist doesn't seem
structureless, either. ÃÂÃÂ there
are all kinds of limiting and
supporting structures that make it
possible. ÃÂÃÂ and then there are
the customs we've developed, like it's
common and desired for people to reply
to the whole list with answers to
questions, and even personal stories
and sidebars, rather than always
taking that stuff to private emails.
ÃÂÃÂ much of the informal stuff was
captured in chris corrigan's oslist
faq's i mentioned earlier. ÃÂÃÂ and
these things change. ÃÂÃÂ the
address changed. ÃÂÃÂ the admin
changed. ÃÂÃÂ the archives moved
but survived, thanks to harold.
ÃÂÃÂ now we allow attachments.
ÃÂÃÂ the archives were private and
later became publicly searchable.
ÃÂÃÂ new people show up all the
time, and join in. ÃÂÃÂ the user's
non-guide (ebook) captured one great
moment in joining when julie smith
showed up very new to all of this,
asked some great questions, and
sparked all kinds of conversation on
many important dimensions of the
practice. ÃÂÃÂ </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>maybe your definition of structure
will also define structureless.
ÃÂÃÂ i guess i don't know what ever
could be structureless, in line wiht
chris' story... except that
everything's moving, it's all flow, as
harrison says. ÃÂÃÂ but maybe those
two stories aren't at odds, either...
some bits are just more dense or more
slowly flowing than others, but it's
all flow in the end. ÃÂÃÂ is flow
structureless?ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>is the tyranny of structurelessness
just to say that everything's moving,
and moving on, even the parts we
really like, and that can make for
some difficult experiences... that
would also be nobody's fault, but just
part of the shared condition?
ÃÂÃÂ uncomfortable in spots, to be
sure, but nobody's and no system's
"fault" or "responsibility?" ÃÂÃÂ </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>as mentioned earlier, OS and the
circle don't make people equal.
ÃÂÃÂ some will always be better,
faster, stronger, more attractive,
more connected than others. ÃÂÃÂ is
thta a problem to be solved?
ÃÂÃÂ i'm having some trouble
connecting "elites," "movement,"
"authorization" and some other terms
in the essay to my experience in open
space and on the list. ÃÂÃÂ the
essay seems to want to fix a problem,
but one that's not familiar to me, at
least not as a sort of thing to be
solved. ÃÂÃÂ </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>why is this essay important for
you? ÃÂÃÂ how does it inform your
understanding and practice of open
space? ÃÂÃÂ or your participation
on the oslist? ÃÂÃÂ are we a
movement? ÃÂÃÂ are you an elite?
ÃÂÃÂ is open space at risk of being
taken over? ÃÂÃÂ help me make the
connection(s)? ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>i notice that you said in your
first message that you find this
"extremely interesting" but you've yet
to say why.</div>
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<div>ÃÂÃÂ <br>
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Michael Herman<br>
Michael Herman Associates<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://MichaelHerman.com"
target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org"
target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 7,
2015 at 2:25 PM, Daniel Mezick <span
dir="ltr"><<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net">dan@newtechusa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div> Yo Michael, <br>
<br>
The whole
"story-context-is-missing" thing
is really just a sidebar to the
important (and much wider) issues
around authority. <br>
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These authority-issues are raised
by the subject essay, "The Tyranny
of Structurelessness." What a
great essay!<br>
<br>
Story-context is a really, really
important topic though, especially
if "missing-context" does have at
least the potential to evoke
feelings of exclusion, in at least
some members of the list.<br>
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Regarding some of the things you
are saying:<br>
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You say, "ExclusionÃÂÃÂ is the
illusion. A little bit of errant
and temporary
mentalÃÂÃÂ structure."<br>
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I say, my current belief is that
my feelings are not illusion
whatsoever, nor are they error.
Rather they are real and valid,
human emotions. They are emotions
which, when experienced fully, are
in fact an essential aspect of
living well.<br>
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You say, "...I notice the word
tyranny again in the subject. Is
it not some kind of tyranny we all
attempt over and over again when
we expect andÃÂÃÂ insist that
the world explain itself to/for
us?"<br>
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I say, my current belief is that
inquiry is not simply important,
it is in fact essential. Inquiry
is good.<br>
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In any event, and as always, I do
appreciate your feedback. <br>
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I am now keen to get back to the
main topic ! <br>
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I wonder how we might, in the here
and now, go about defining the
term "structure," for purposes of
further discussing issues raised
by this essay with much more
clarity. <br>
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That's a question I'm keen to
explore with you, and the other
members of this list, inside this
thread.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Daniel <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.Prime-OS.com"
target="_blank">http://www.Prime-OS.com</a>
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<div>On 10/6/15 11:56 AM,
Michael Herman wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Yes
and Daniel, there are the
words of a story and the
feeling/meaning of it. I
considered writing a longer
message in the telling of
this story, but I wanted to
transmit as much of the
spirit/experienceÃÂÃÂ of
it as I could.ÃÂÃÂ
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<div>Ralph didn't offer any
explanation of his
observation that morning.
He did just like I said,
got up in aÃÂÃÂ morning
news circle, it was an
OTgathering as I
notedÃÂÃÂ but that
doesn't matter, it was
open space and morning
news. He said his piece
and sat down. The
experience for me, and
others I have learned only
later,ÃÂÃÂ was stunning
and disorienting, for
sure. ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>I thoughtÃÂÃÂ to
honor andÃÂÃÂ convey
this
experienceÃÂÃÂ through
some measure of similar
brevity in
myÃÂÃÂ retelling. Maybe
this is what you picked up
on. The disorienting magic
of Ralph's moment.ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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<div>There are moments in
open space of surprise and
disconnect, maybe
frustration or confusion
or misunderstanding or
disorientation and even
disappointment that arise
in open space. This we all
know and have
experienced.ÃÂÃÂ This,
to me, is not so much a
thing to be solved but the
nature of the territory.
It just is.ÃÂÃÂ </div>
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Ralph never
didÃÂÃÂ explainÃÂÃÂ his
statement, as far as I know.
He had something to say and
he said it. That was his
only job. After that, each
of us had to figure out for
ourselves what, if
anything,ÃÂÃÂ to do with
his story, to decide if it
was wisdom or wisecrack. The
storyteller, I think, has
only the responsibility for
finding and sharing what's
true for him/her.ÃÂÃÂ
The rest is up to
us.ÃÂÃÂ
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<div>MaybeÃÂÃÂ this
points to the learning and
challengeÃÂÃÂ that we
all have in open space,
namely learning to trust
more and more that we
already are always
included in a flow that is
bigger and deeper or
whatever than we can see
or understand or
articulate sometimes.
ExclusionÃÂÃÂ is the
illusion. A little bit of
errant and temporary
mentalÃÂÃÂ structure.
Discomfort is not a
problem (and can't be
solved by anyone!); it's a
trail marker.ÃÂÃÂ
Which is to say about
exclusion and missing out,
"welcome!" ÃÂÃÂ The
good news is, and the bad
news is, you're
in!ÃÂÃÂ And, it's all
still happening
Now.ÃÂÃÂ <span></span></div>
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<div>As I scroll up to send
tha now, I notice the word
tyranny again in the
subject. Is it not some
kind of tyranny we all
attempt over and over
again when we expect
andÃÂÃÂ insist that the
world explain itself
to/for us?ÃÂÃÂ Is this
not something of our
central challenge,
somethingÃÂÃÂ all of us
work with?ÃÂÃÂ The
edge of open space is an
end of comfortable,
conventionalÃÂÃÂ understanding?ÃÂÃÂ
Or something?<br>
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On Tuesday, October
6, 2015, Daniel
Mezick via OSList
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wrote:<br>
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<div> Hi Harrison,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the
tips on how to
search OSLIST
and Google, etc.
I did do those
things actually.
However, that's
a bit of an
effort,
especially
searching the
OSLIST archives.
I guess I could
eventually pick
up OSLIST
culture that
way, little by
little. I
suppose an
earnest person
with loads of
time could sift
through OSLIST
archives to
figure this
culture out. The
hard way. <br>
<br>
However, like
the SPIRIT book
teaches, there
is nothing like
a good story to
convey culture.
The kind of
story with a
beginning, a
middle and an
end.<br>
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I notice that,
when you are the
one referring to
a certain
OS-mythos story,
you usually tend
to include the
short list of
pertinent
details, the
essential
details that
provide the
essential
context, so the
reader can
follow along,
and engage.<br>
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And I'm always
grateful for
that, as it
helps me to
follow along,
and get what you
are referring
to, and more
fully understand
the story, and
feel oddly
included in the
story. <br>
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Earlier, I
express how not
having the
context tends to
(for me) arouse
feelings of:
exclusion,
cluelessness,
and a general
lack of
membership in
whatever
"historic-OS-mythos-episode"
is being
referred to.
Sort of an "out
group" feeling.
You know?
Sometimes, I
wonder what the
poster might be
thinking by
posting random
fragments of a
"you had to be
there" kind of
story. Other
times, I wonder
if other readers
are also feeling
these feelings.
Or if it is
"just me."<br>
<br>
And so: I am
very grateful
for your
stories, in part
because you
include the
pertinent
details, and in
so doing, make
me (for one)
feel included. <br>
<br>
So thanks for
including the
context in your
stories. It
makes them fun,
and easy to
follow. OSLIST
culture
certainly has
it's quirks, and
for me, your
stories make
this culture
easier to figure
out, and
navigate, and
enjoy.<br>
<br>
<br>
Getting back to
the Tyranny of
Structurelessness:
<br>
<br>
Do you think
these 3
assertions by
the author are
actually true?
Do these ideas
have legs?<br>
<ul>
<li><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">This
hegemony can
be so easily
established
because the
idea of
"structurelessness"
does not
prevent the
formation of
informal
structures,
only formal
ones.</span></i></li>
<li><span><span><span></span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">For
everyone to
have the
opportunity to
be involved in
a given group
and to
participate in
its
activities,
the structure
must be
explicit, not
implicit. </span></i></li>
<li><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">It
is this
informal
structure,
particularly
in
Unstructured
groups, which
forms the
basis for
elites.</span></i></li>
</ul>
<br>
Daniel <br>
<br>
<div>On 10/6/15
10:04 AM,
Harrison Owen
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Dan,
Google can
often help. <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman">https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman</a></a>
</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ho</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
OSList [<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Daniel
Mezick via
OSList<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Monday,
October 05,
2015 4:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Harrison Owen;
World wide
Open Space
Technology
email list<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [OSList]
The Tyranny of
Structurelessness</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">ÃÂÃÂ </p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Howdy
Harrison,<br>
<br>
Thanks for
describing the
context of the
Ralph Copleman
story- I'm
very thankful
for that info.<br>
<br>
I notice that,
lots of times
here, there
are references
made to
notable OST
episodes, and
situations
from times
past... <br>
<br>
...the
"OST-mythos"
as it were. <br>
<br>
These mythical
stories often
have me
wondering what
I missed, and
what I might
now be
missing.
(Being
clueless as I
am.) <br>
<br>
I'm sure these
story-fragment
postings are
not posted
with intent to
exclude
anyone, or to
be
discourteous,
or unkind.
More like:
some good old
basic
camaraderie is
taking place
between some
old friends.<br>
<br>
Still: Do
these
"inside-story-fragments"
on OSLIST tend
to evoke
feelings of
exclusion in
readers who
were <i>not</i>
there at the
time? <br>
<br>
Not sure. <br>
<br>
<CONFESSION><br>
<br>
As for me,
personally, I
sometimes find
myself
experiencing
curiously odd
feelings of
exclusion,
when a
told-fragment
of an old
OST-mythos
story lacks
explicit
context. So I
can follow the
story, you
know? The
terms
"outsider" or
"clueless"
orÃÂÃÂ
"not in the
story"
describe these
feelings
fairly well.
"Not invited?"<br>
<br>
I sometimes
wonder if some
of the
hundreds of <i>other</i>
members of
OSLIST ever
feel this
way...or if it
is "just me."
<br>
<br>
</CONFESSION><br>
<br>
Daniel <br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
On 10/4/15
2:59 PM,
Harrison Owen
via OSList
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂEverything</span><span>
is
moving.ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂì
ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ
.... Michael
-- I remember
that moment
very</span><span>
well. And Dan,
IÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâm
not sure the
context, etc,
would help</span><span>
very much. But
just for the
record the odd
phrase popped
out at one of
the
International
Symposia on
Organization
Transformation
which happened
to be taking
place at a
small college
south of
Seattle. I
have no idea
why Ralph said
what he did,
and IÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâm
not sure Ralph
did either.
But then again</span><span>
a lot of
marvelous
stuff seems to
burst out with
no obvious
logic train.
Indeed it may
be that the
lack of logic
train enables
the thought?</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Whatever
the genesis,
the phrase
wandered about
my head for
some time,
quite
unattached,
and it also
happened that
I was working
my way slowly
through one of
the
masterpieces
of 20<sup>th</sup>
century
western
philosophy
when a fuzzy
connection
began to form.
The work was
that of Alfred
North
Whitehead, and
the title:
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂProcess
and
Reality.ÃÂââÃÂì
IÃÂââÃÂìâÃÂâve
been through
the</span><span>
book probably
4-5 times, and
I am frank to
confess that I
donÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂât
think I really
understand</span><span>
it. But then
again
IÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâve</span><span>
heardÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ
a number of
people with
much greater
credentials,
tenure, etc
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
say the same
thing. But I
did get that
it</span><span>
had something
to do with,
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂEverything
is
moving.ÃÂââÃÂì
And</span><span>
the more I
thought and
read, the more
I felt that
the good
philosopher
had made a
small mistake
on his title.
It
shouldnÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂât
be
ÃÂââÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂProcess</span><span>
<i>and</i>
Reality,ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂì
but rather</span><span>
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂProcess</span><span>
<b>is</b>
Reality.ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂì
</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Now,
Anna Caroline
we come to
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂstructure,ÃÂââÃÂì
or perhaps I</span><span>
should say the
fallacy of
Structure? Yes
I know
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
weÃÂââÃÂìâÃÂâ</span><span>ve all been taught that
structure is
the precursor,
the ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂdeterminatorÃÂââÃÂì
of everything.
My face looks
as it does</span><span>
because of my
bone
structure. My
life proceeds
the way it
does because
of my social
structure. My
business works
as it does
because of the
organizational
structure. And
of course,
meetings
happen the way
they do
because of
meeting
structure,
which
apparently is
the prime
domain of
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂfacilitators.ÃÂââÃÂì
And even if we
hadnÃÂââÃÂìâÃÂât
been</span><span>
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂtaughtÃÂââÃÂì
all this, the
primacy of
structure
would appear</span><span>
to be
blatantly
obvious
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
as plain as
the nose on
your</span><span>
face. </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Unfortunately,
it does seem
to turn out
that sometimes
the blatantly
obvious is not
necessarily
so. For
example just
looking at
things it is
pretty clear
that the world
is flat, or at
the least
bumpy flat.
And any fool
can see that
we are the
center of it
all ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
Sun, moon, and
stars whiz
around
us.ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span><span>
But when we
think about
it, as we have
been doing for
the last
500-600 years,
the obvious
isnÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂât
so obvious.</span><span>
</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>It
is reasonable
to ask what
would start to
make us think
differently
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
to the point
that we begin
to question
the</span><span>
obvious, and
even come to
see things in
a different
way? Taking a
leap, I will
suggest that
it all begins
with the
perception of
anomaly.
Things just
donÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂât
make sense. O</span><span>ur
eyes tell us
one thing...
but???? And
then we start
making up
stories to
explain the
apparently
unexplainable.
We imagine
different ways
of looking at
things so that
the
nonsensical
makes sense.
Some of those
stories get
pretty
strange, but
if they
actually work
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
that is to
say, help</span><span>
us to see in
new and useful
ways ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
thatÃÂââÃÂìâÃÂâs
great</span><span>!</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>There
is, of course,
a proper term
for the
activity I
have been
describing. It
is called
Theory
Building. And
for whatever
it is worth,
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂtheoryÃÂââÃÂì
comes from the
G</span><span>reek
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂ</span><i><span>theoreinÃÂâ</span></i><i><span>âÃÂì
</span></i><span>
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
to see. In a
word, theories
are ways of
looking at</span><span>
things
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
likely stories
you might say.</span><span>
</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Now,
at long last
(too long?) we
come to the
odd story I
was starting
to tell, to
the effect
that Structure
is only a
figment of our
imagination, a
flash frame of
a moment gone
by.
Interesting,
and helpful
under some
circumstances...
but always
partial and in
a sense
illusory.
WhatÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâs</span><span>
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂreallyÃÂââÃÂì
happening is
all flow.
Everything is
moving
ÃÂââÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ</span><span>
ThatÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâs
RalphÃÂââÃÂìâÃÂâs
story, and I
guess it is </span><span>mine
too.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>So
how did I get
to such a
weird
condition? It
was all about
anomaly
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
more
particularly,
the anomaly of
Open Space.</span><span>
Everything
that I had
ever learned
told me that
it could not
work.
Unfortunately
it did (work)
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
and not just
once, but</span><span>
every time,
hundreds of
thousands of
times.
Something was
definitely
weird. It
seemed to me
that I had to
re-consider
all those
things I
thought I had
learned,
beginning with
the basics...
such things as
Structure.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Common
sense would
say that Open
Space works
because we
somehow
created a
structure that
enabled it to
work.
ThatÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâs
the</span><span>
way things get
done, or so I
had been
taught. But
thatÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâs</span><span>
not the way
things
happened in
Open Space.
Structure
emerged along
the way and
only
momentarily.
Worse yet it
(structure)
seemed to have
little to do
with the
obvious power,
connections,
creativity....
all of which
created
structures,
and passed
them by. And
actually it
always seemed
to me that the
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂstructuresÃÂââÃÂì
I
ÃÂââÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂsawÃÂââÃÂì
existed only
because I</span><span>
wanted to see
them ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
or perhaps
that I
ÃÂââÃÂìÃÂ
ÃÂshouldÃÂââÃÂì
see</span><span>
them. But they
were only
momentary
wisps,
figments
ÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂÃÂ
never</span><span>
to be mistaken
for what was
really going
on. Or so
IÃÂâ</span><span>âÃÂìâÃÂâve</span><span>
been thinking.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Harrison</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
OSList [<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Michael
Herman via
OSList<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Saturday,
October 03,
2015 6:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> JL
Walker; World
wide Open
Space
Technology
email list<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [OSList]
The Tyranny of
Structurelessness</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">you
remind me,
harrison, of
one morning
news session
years ago,
somewhere,
probably OT...
where ralph
copleman
walked to the
center of the
circle and
announced, all
serious and
mischievous at
the same time,
"it's all
moving!"
ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">then
put the stick
down and went
back to his
seat.ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ <br>
--<br>
<br>
Michael Herman<br>
Michael Herman
Associates<br>
<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://MichaelHerman.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://MichaelHerman.com">http://MichaelHerman.com</a></a><br>
<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a></a></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Sat, Oct 3,
2015 at 1:47
PM, JL Walker
via OSList
<<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>I
was thinking
that maybe the
antidote to
the eventual
tyranny of
structurelessness
is to open
space, again
and again,
until true
democracy can
emerge.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Juan
Luis</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
lang="ES">
OSList
[mailto:<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>]
<b>En nombre
de </b>Rosa
Zubizarreta
via OSList<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b>
sÃÂÃÂÃÂábado,
03 de octubre
de 2015 12:19<br>
<b>Para:</b>
Daniel Mezick;
World wide
Open Space
Technology
email list<br>
<b>Asunto:</b>
Re: [OSList]
The Tyranny of
Structurelessness</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">Hi
Daniel,</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">Yes,
this is a key
piece... I see
it as very
similar in
some ways to
what Ken
Wilber wrote
later, </span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">about
the "shadow
side of the
green meme".
(Each meme has
its own
shadow, as
well as its
own gift...)</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">So,
I love
"green". I
love circles,
I love
non-hierarchy,
etc. <br>
And, part of
the "shadow
side of the
green meme" is
how
ideologically
anti-structure
it can
become... </span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">to
the point
where some
people may not
even agree
that OST does,
in fact, offer
a very simple
and effective
structure.</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">By
way contrast,
think of a
situation
where group of
people (who
don't know
about OST,
and/or, who
are having a
power struggle
around "which
process to
use",
and/or....ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ
) might easily
spending a
whole weekend
arguing <i>about
</i>"how to
self-organize
ourselves"...
with a great
deal more pain
and
frustration
and a great
deal less
value.</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">whereas,
instead, IF
someone knows
about OST,
and, a clear
invitation has
been extended,
and, there is
enough
trust/suspension
of disbelief
so that
participants
are willing to
enter into
that format, <br>
<br>
then, we end
up with a very
simple and
elegant
structure that
allows people
to
self-organize
beautifully....
</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">at
least that's
how i see it!
:-)</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">with
all best
wishes,</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">Rosa</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD"><br>
</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">Rosa
Zubizarreta</span></i></b></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">Developing
Participatory
and
Co-intelligent
Leadership<br>
Author of <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.conflict2creativity.com"
target="_blank"><b>From
Conflict to
Creative
Collaboration</b></a></span></i></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">For
more resources
and learning
opportunities,
visit<br>
<b><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.DiaPraxis.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.DiaPraxis.com">www.DiaPraxis.com</a></a></b></span></i></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">On
Sat, Oct 3,
2015 at 9:26
AM, Daniel
Mezick via
OSList <<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD">THE
TYRANNY of
STRUCTURELESSNESS<br>
by Jo Freeman
aka Joreen<br>
<br>
I find this
essay
extremely
interesting. I
hope you do,
too. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Here is a
pertinent
quote, from
the essay:<br>
"...</span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">the
idea of
"structurelessness"
does not
prevent the
formation of
informal
structures,
only formal
ones."<br>
<br>
</span></i><span
lang="ES-TRAD"><br>
Circa 1970.
Context: the
women's
movement.
Quick summary
of the main
points: from
the essay...</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">During
the years in
which the
women's
liberation
movement has
been taking
shape, a great
emphasis has
been placed on
what are
called
leaderless,
structureless
groups as the
main -- if not
sole --
organizational
form of the
movement. </span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">The
idea of
"structurelessness,"
however, has
moved from a
healthy
counter to
those
tendencies, to
becoming a
goddess in its
own right.</span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">Contrary
to what we
would like to
believe, there
is no such
thing as a
structureless
group. </span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">This
means that to
strive for a
structureless
group is as
useful, and as
deceptive, as
to aim at an
"objective"
news story,
"value-free"
social
science, or a
"free"
economy. A
"laissez
faire" group
is about as
realistic as a
"laissez
faire"
society; the
idea becomes a
smokescreen
for the strong
or the lucky
to establish
unquestioned
hegemony over
others. </span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">This
hegemony can
be so easily
established
because the
idea of
"structurelessness"
does not
prevent the
formation of
informal
structures,
only formal
ones. </span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">For
everyone to
have the
opportunity to
be involved in
a given group
and to
participate in
its
activities,
the structure
must be
explicit, not
implicit. </span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span><span>ÃÂïâÃÂÃÂÃÂ÷<span>ÃÂÃÂ
</span></span></span><i><span
lang="ES-TRAD">It
is this
informal
structure,
particularly
in
Unstructured
groups, which
forms the
basis for
elites.</span></i></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="ES-TRAD"><br>
<br>
Just in case
you have not
yet
encountered
the full text
of this essay,
here it is: <br>
<br>
THE TYRANNY of
STRUCTURELESSNESS<br>
by Jo Freeman
aka Joreen<br>
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