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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dan, Google can often help. <a href="https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman">https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ho<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Mezick via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 2015 4:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Howdy Harrison,<br><br>Thanks for describing the context of the Ralph Copleman story- I'm very thankful for that info.<br><br>I notice that, lots of times here, there are references made to notable OST episodes, and situations from times past... <br><br>...the "OST-mythos" as it were. <br><br>These mythical stories often have me wondering what I missed, and what I might now be missing. (Being clueless as I am.) <br><br>I'm sure these story-fragment postings are not posted with intent to exclude anyone, or to be discourteous, or unkind. More like: some good old basic camaraderie is taking place between some old friends.<br><br>Still: Do these "inside-story-fragments" on OSLIST tend to evoke feelings of exclusion in readers who were <i>not</i> there at the time? <br><br>Not sure. <br><br><CONFESSION><br><br>As for me, personally, I sometimes find myself experiencing curiously odd feelings of exclusion, when a told-fragment of an old OST-mythos story lacks explicit context. So I can follow the story, you know? The terms "outsider" or "clueless" or "not in the story" describe these feelings fairly well. "Not invited?"<br><br>I sometimes wonder if some of the hundreds of <i>other</i> members of OSLIST ever feel this way...or if it is "just me." <br><br></CONFESSION><br><br>Daniel <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 10/4/15 2:59 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Everything</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> is moving.â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> .... Michael -- I remember that moment very</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> well. And Dan, Iâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>m not sure the context, etc, would help</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> very much. But just for the record the odd phrase popped out at one of the International Symposia on Organization Transformation which happened to be taking place at a small college south of Seattle. I have no idea why Ralph said what he did, and Iâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>m not sure Ralph did either. But then again</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> a lot of marvelous stuff seems to burst out with no obvious logic train. Indeed it may be that the lack of logic train enables the thought?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Whatever the genesis, the phrase wandered about my head for some time, quite unattached, and it also happened that I was working my way slowly through one of the masterpieces of 20<sup>th</sup> century western philosophy when a fuzzy connection began to form. The work was that of Alfred North Whitehead, and the title: â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Process and Reality.â Iâve been through the</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> book probably 4-5 times, and I am frank to confess that I donâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>t think I really understand</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> it. But then again Iâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ve</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> heard a number of people with much greater credentials, tenure, etc â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> say the same thing. But I did get that it</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> had something to do with, â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Everything is moving.â And</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> the more I thought and read, the more I felt that the good philosopher had made a small mistake on his title. It shouldnâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>t be âProcess</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <i>and</i> Reality,â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> but rather</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Process</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <b>is</b> Reality.â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now, Anna Caroline we come to â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>structure,â or perhaps I</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> should say the fallacy of Structure? Yes I know â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> weâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ve all been taught that structure is the precursor, the â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>determinatorâ of everything. My face looks as it does</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> because of my bone structure. My life proceeds the way it does because of my social structure. My business works as it does because of the organizational structure. And of course, meetings happen the way they do because of meeting structure, which apparently is the prime domain of â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>facilitators.â And even if we hadnât been</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>taughtâ all this, the primacy of structure would appear</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> to be blatantly obvious â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> as plain as the nose on your</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> face. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately, it does seem to turn out that sometimes the blatantly obvious is not necessarily so. For example just looking at things it is pretty clear that the world is flat, or at the least bumpy flat. And any fool can see that we are the center of it all â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Sun, moon, and stars whiz around us. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> But when we think about it, as we have been doing for the last 500-600 years, the obvious isnâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>t so obvious.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is reasonable to ask what would start to make us think differently â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> to the point that we begin to question the</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> obvious, and even come to see things in a different way? Taking a leap, I will suggest that it all begins with the perception of anomaly. Things just donâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>t make sense. O</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ur eyes tell us one thing... but???? And then we start making up stories to explain the apparently unexplainable. We imagine different ways of looking at things so that the nonsensical makes sense. Some of those stories get pretty strange, but if they actually work â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> that is to say, help</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> us to see in new and useful ways â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> thatâs great</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is, of course, a proper term for the activity I have been describing. It is called Theory Building. And for whatever it is worth, â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>theoryâ comes from the G</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>reek â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></span><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>theoreinâ</span></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> to see. In a word, theories are ways of looking at</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> things â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> likely stories you might say.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now, at long last (too long?) we come to the odd story I was starting to tell, to the effect that Structure is only a figment of our imagination, a flash frame of a moment gone by. Interesting, and helpful under some circumstances... but always partial and in a sense illusory. Whatâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>s</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>reallyâ happening is all flow. Everything is moving â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Thatâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>s Ralphâs story, and I guess it is </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mine too.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So how did I get to such a weird condition? It was all about anomaly â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> more particularly, the anomaly of Open Space.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Everything that I had ever learned told me that it could not work. Unfortunately it did (work) â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> and not just once, but</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> every time, hundreds of thousands of times. Something was definitely weird. It seemed to me that I had to re-consider all those things I thought I had learned, beginning with the basics... such things as Structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Common sense would say that Open Space works because we somehow created a structure that enabled it to work. Thatâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>s the</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> way things get done, or so I had been taught. But thatâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>s</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> not the way things happened in Open Space. Structure emerged along the way and only momentarily. Worse yet it (structure) seemed to have little to do with the obvious power, connections, creativity.... all of which created structures, and passed them by. And actually it always seemed to me that the â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>structuresâ I âsawâ existed only because I</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> wanted to see them â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> or perhaps that I âshouldâ see</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> them. But they were only momentary wisps, figments â</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> never</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> to be mistaken for what was really going on. Or so Iâ</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ve</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> been thinking.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Herman via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago, somewhere, probably OT... where ralph copleman walked to the center of the circle and announced, all serious and mischievous at the same time, "it's all moving!"  <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>then put the stick down and went back to his seat. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 1:47 PM, JL Walker via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1f497d","serif"'>I was thinking that maybe the antidote to the eventual tyranny of structurelessness is to open space, again and again, until true democracy can emerge.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1f497d","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1f497d","serif"'>Juan Luis</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSList [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 03 de octubre de 2015 12:19<br><b>Para:</b> Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>Hi Daniel,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD>Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what Ken Wilber wrote later, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has its own shadow, as well as its own gift...)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD>So, I love "green". I love circles, I love non-hierarchy, etc. <br>And, part of the "shadow side of the green meme" is how ideologically anti-structure it can become... </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>to the point where some people may not even agree that OST does, in fact, offer a very simple and effective structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>By way contrast, think of a situation where group of people (who don't know about OST, and/or, who are having a power struggle around "which process to use", and/or.... ) might easily spending a whole weekend arguing <i>about </i>"how to self-organize ourselves"... with a great deal more pain and frustration and a great deal less value.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>whereas, instead, IF someone knows about OST, and, a clear invitation has been extended, and, there is enough trust/suspension of disbelief so that participants are willing to enter into that format, <br><br>then, we end up with a very simple and elegant structure that allows people to self-organize beautifully.... </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>at least that's how i see it! :-)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>with all best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD>Rosa</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><i><span lang=ES-TRAD>Rosa Zubizarreta</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i><span lang=ES-TRAD>Developing Participatory and Co-intelligent Leadership<br>Author of <a href="http://www.conflict2creativity.com" target="_blank"><b>From Conflict to Creative Collaboration</b></a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span lang=ES-TRAD>For more resources and learning opportunities, visit<br><b><a href="http://www.DiaPraxis.com" target="_blank">www.DiaPraxis.com</a></b></span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD>On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD>THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS<br>by Jo Freeman aka Joreen<br><br>I find this essay extremely interesting. I hope you do, too. <br><br><br><br>Here is a pertinent quote, from the essay:<br>"...</span><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures, only formal ones."<br><br></span></i><span lang=ES-TRAD><br>Circa 1970. Context: the women's movement. Quick summary of the main points: from the essay...</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>During the years in which the women's liberation movement has been taking shape, a great emphasis has been placed on what are called leaderless, structureless groups as the main -- if not sole -- organizational form of the movement. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The idea of "structurelessness," however, has moved from a healthy counter to those tendencies, to becoming a goddess in its own right.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such thing as a structureless group. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>This means that to strive for a structureless group is as useful, and as deceptive, as to aim at an "objective" news story, "value-free" social science, or a "free" economy. A "laissez faire" group is about as realistic as a "laissez faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen for the strong or the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures, only formal ones. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a given group and to participate in its activities, the structure must be explicit, not implicit. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>ï·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured groups, which forms the basis for elites.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-TRAD><br><br>Just in case you have not yet encountered 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