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Michael, <br>
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I'm sorry. I have absolutely no context to understand this story.
And it sounds so interesting. So of course I want to understand it.
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I wonder if you might be willing to provide some context. For
example: when this story takes place, where this place actually is,
who else is there besides you and Harrison and Ralph Copleman, what
the actual event is all about, etc. <br>
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I'm utterly clueless: I have no idea who Ralph Copleman is. <br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/3/15 6:31 PM, Michael Herman
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<div dir="ltr">you remind me, harrison, of one morning news
session years ago, somewhere, probably OT... where ralph
copleman walked to the center of the circle and announced, all
serious and mischievous at the same time, "it's all moving!"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 1:47 PM, JL
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I was thinking
that maybe the antidote to the eventual tyranny of
structurelessness is to open space, again and again,
until true democracy can emerge.</span></p>
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<b>En nombre de </b>Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 03 de octubre de 2015
12:19<br>
<b>Para:</b> Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space
Technology email list<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of
Structurelessness</span></p>
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Daniel,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, this is
a key piece... I see it as very
similar in some ways to what Ken
Wilber wrote later, </p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">about
the "shadow side of the green
meme". (Each meme has its own
shadow, as well as its own
gift...)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, I love
"green". I love circles, I love
non-hierarchy, etc. <br>
And, part of the "shadow side of the
green meme" is how ideologically
anti-structure it can become... </p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">to the
point where some people may not even
agree that OST does, in fact, offer a
very simple and effective structure.</p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">By way
contrast, think of a situation where
group of people (who don't know about
OST, and/or, who are having a power
struggle around "which process to use",
and/or.... ) might easily spending a
whole weekend arguing <i>about </i>"how
to self-organize ourselves"... with a
great deal more pain and frustration and
a great deal less value.</p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">whereas,
instead, IF someone knows about OST, and,
a clear invitation has been extended, and,
there is enough trust/suspension of
disbelief so that participants are willing
to enter into that format, <br>
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then, we end up with a very simple and
elegant structure that allows people to
self-organize beautifully.... </p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">at least that's
how i see it! :-)</p>
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wishes,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rosa</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:26
AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">THE TYRANNY of
STRUCTURELESSNESS<br>
by Jo Freeman aka Joreen<br>
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I find this essay extremely interesting. I
hope you do, too. <br>
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Here is a pertinent quote, from the essay:<br>
"...<i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">the
idea of "structurelessness" does not
prevent the formation of informal
structures, only formal ones."<br>
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</span></i><br>
Circa 1970. Context: the women's movement.
Quick summary of the main points: from the
essay...</p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">During
the years in which the women's
liberation movement has been taking
shape, a great emphasis has been
placed on what are called leaderless,
structureless groups as the main -- if
not sole -- organizational form of the
movement. </span></i></li>
</ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The
idea of "structurelessness," however,
has moved from a healthy counter to
those tendencies, to becoming a
goddess in its own right.</span></i></li>
</ul>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Contrary
to what we would like to believe,
there is no such thing as a
structureless group. </span></i></li>
</ul>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">This
means that to strive for a
structureless group is as useful, and
as deceptive, as to aim at an
"objective" news story, "value-free"
social science, or a "free" economy. A
"laissez faire" group is about as
realistic as a "laissez faire"
society; the idea becomes a
smokescreen for the strong or the
lucky to establish unquestioned
hegemony over others. </span></i></li>
</ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">This
hegemony can be so easily established
because the idea of
"structurelessness" does not prevent
the formation of informal structures,
only formal ones. </span></i></li>
</ul>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">For
everyone to have the opportunity to be
involved in a given group and to
participate in its activities, the
structure must be explicit, not
implicit. </span></i></li>
</ul>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">It
is this informal structure,
particularly in Unstructured groups,
which forms the basis for elites.</span></i></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
Just in case you have not yet encountered
the full text of this essay, here it is: <br>
<br>
THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS<br>
by Jo Freeman aka Joreen<br>
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