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    Hi Lucas,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for the "hat tip" around "Open Space in the Wild". I started
    composing an OSList message a couple weeks ago which isn't quite
    ready for release, but I do believe that OST has had a lot of
    children (some legitimate, and some maybe not so much). Barcamp is
    definitely a child of Open Space, as is the whole unconference
    "movement".<br>
    <br>
    There is a difference between unconferences and barcamps.
    Unconferences can include many forms of participant driven content -
    including collecting session suggestions weeks before the event with
    some kind of web assisted topic voting by the participant community.
    It can even include Lightning Talks, like Ignite events. I think the
    way many Hackathons are explicit unconferences too. And thus can
    trace their ancestry from OST.<br>
    <br>
    A few years ago at one of Kaliya Hamlin's OST conferences I met Dave
    Nielsen, the founder of CloudCamp, an unconference for cloud
    computing enthusiasts. Dave chose OST for his CloudCamp originally,
    but added some things to address issues (just like Peggy Holman
    added Appreciative Inquiry, Warm up Talks, and World Cafe' to her
    Journalism That Matters conferences). Dave Nielsen came up with an
    interesting innovation called an "UnPanel" - where the crowd
    self-organizes the panelists and the questions. He talked about it
    at an Ignite event, <a
href="http://igniteshow.com/videos/unpanel-one-way-get-your-unconference-started"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://igniteshow.com/videos/unpanel-one-way-get-your-unconference-started">http://igniteshow.com/videos/unpanel-one-way-get-your-unconference-started</a></a><br>
    <br>
    Originally, a "barcamp" was a DIRECT copy of O'Reilly's FooCamps - a
    private invitation only multi day party/unconference that actually
    includes tents and camping on the O'Reilly publisher's headquarters.
    The BarCamp just wasn't private, and was produced so that anyone
    could host one. Just like Open Space, a BarCamp had multiple
    locations, and multiple time slots, for people to write in their
    sessions.<br>
    <br>
    If anyone is hosting a BarCamp and allowing pre-scheduled
    presentations - they're violating BarCamp rules.<br>
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        "6th Rule: No pre-scheduled presentations, no tourists."<br>
    <br>
    <a href="http://barcamp.org/w/page/405173/TheRulesOfBarCamp">http://barcamp.org/w/page/405173/TheRulesOfBarCamp</a><br>
    <br>
    My own Open Space story is through hearing about FooCamp, and then
    learning about BarCamp, back in 2007. Techies in Montana wanted a
    BarCamp, and I agreed to get one started. But then I learned about
    OST through Kaliya Hamlin at the huge annual JavaOne conference in
    San Francisco. And then was trained by Lisa Heft. So even though I
    called my Montana OST a BarCamp, and I registered my events as a
    BarCamp.org, I did it every year as a bona-fide OST, even mentioning
    Harrison Owen every time. No BarCamp police came and shut me down -
    mostly because I refused to be a Nazi with the BarCamp "no tourist"
    rule, which means everyone is supposed to present, or help out
    somehow. Completely unnecessary!<br>
    <br>
    Back in '07 the BarCamp brand was pretty fresh and active, with a
    larger number of North America events. But I got so tired of saying
    my Missoula BarCamp event wasn't about drinking alcohol (Bar's), nor
    about Camping. So we no longer call it a BarCamp. And from what I
    can see, most of the originally juice has flown the coup out of the
    BarCamp brand. But there's lots of juice in Unconferences. More to
    come.<br>
    <br>
        Regards,<br>
        Harold<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/16/15 12:57 PM, Lucas Cioffi via
      OSList wrote:<br>
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                <div style="font-size:12.8px">I want to merge my post
                  from 11 days ago (below) into this thread, because it
                  relates to unconferences/barcamps and OS.  The post <span
                    style="font-size:12.8px">got stuck in the OS List
                    Moderation Queue due to the size of attachments, so
                    now the attachments are links instead.</span></div>
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                <div style="font-size:12.8px">Is there a difference
                  between unconferences and barcamps?  I have seen them
                  used interchangeably.  Here's the p<span
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                    add to this conversation:</span></div>
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                  40px;border:none;padding:0px">Hat tip to Harold for
                  bringing up the idea of "Open Space in the Wild" on a
                  recent Tuesday OS Hotline call.  Unconferences are one
                  such form that OS takes outside of the OS community. 
                  Hat tip to Tricia for hosting the Tuesday OS Hotline. 
                  If you haven't attended one yet, look for the
                  announcements on Monday/Tuesday on this list.  They
                  are lots of fun!<br>
                  <br>
                  So here's the topic I'd like to discuss on this
                  thread:<br>
                  I understand that unconferences (aka barcamps)
                  evolved/descended from open space.  It seems to be an
                  estranged relationship where many of the hundreds of
                  people who run unconferences have never heard of open
                  space.  From my personal experience and from the
                  opinions of others who have held unconferences, they
                  vary in quality from poor quality to excellent,
                  depending on many factors such as the level of
                  preparation that<br>
                  <br>
                  In this thread, I'd like to ask, "What are the main
                  differences between unconferences and OS?"  Here's a
                  start to the list of differences that I can see:<br>
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                      <div style="font-size:small">Some unconferences
                        start with a slide presentation (an example is
                        in the links below), and this never happens in
                        OS.<br>
                        Unconferences frequently (but not always?) start
                        with theater-style seating rather than an
                        opening circle.<br>
                        Unconferences have everyone give 3-word
                        introductions.<br>
                        Unconferences almost always (from my experience)
                        last one day or less.<br>
                        During the closing people will often share "key
                        takeaways" from the sessions whereas during an
                        OS, people usually share reflections about the
                        overall experience (I think)<br>
                        Unconferences rarely mention the terms
                        "butterfly" and the "bumble bee" (at least from
                        the 20 that I've attended)<br>
                        OS has more of a griefwork element (there is a
                        problem/crisis or the situation on the ground is
                        changing and something is ending and we need to
                        figure out what comes next) whereas
                        unconferences are more about birds of a feather
                        getting together.  Said another way, OS is more
                        frequently about collective action and
                        unconferences are more about building social
                        cohesion and individual learning.<br>
                        Any other key differences?  These are just my
                        impressions.<br>
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                  Another question on my mind: "When is an unconference
                  a more appropriate tool than an open space?"<br>
                  <br>
                  So that you can understand the language of one breed
                  of unconference organizers, here are some of the
                  resources that EdCamp (a large unconference series)
                  shares with its organizers:<br>
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                      <div style="font-size:small">Checklist for how to
                        run an EdCamp unconference: <a
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F4nEotV_Gab-QFIJk_EJSeUOeKTVVV598_jeAhanDjg/edit"
                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F4nEotV_Gab-QFIJk_EJSeUOeKTVVV598_jeAhanDjg/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F4nEotV_Gab-QFIJk_EJSeUOeKTVVV598_jeAhanDjg/edit</a></a><br>
                        A diagram for EdCamp which describes tips for <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://qiqochat.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/how-to-maximize-the-edcamp-experience-1.png"
                          target="_blank">how a participant can make the
                          most of their experience</a>  (I didn't make
                        this, but I uploaded it to my WordPress site
                        since it was too big to attach to an OSList
                        message)<br>
                        A <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://qiqochat.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/sample-edcamp-intro-2.pptx"
                          target="_blank">slide presentation which is
                          used to begin EdCamp unconferences</a><br>
                        A <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.edutopia.org/edcamp-organizer-resources"
                          target="_blank">mish-mash of tips and
                          resources for organizing an EdCamp</a><br>
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                <span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Lucas Cioffi</span><br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 16, 2015
                            at 10:00 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <span
                              dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">"Lean
                                Coffee" is yet-another derivative of
                                Open Space. It's simple, fun, and
                                useful- like OST itself. <br>
                                <br>
                                Here is the origin story: <br>
                                <br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.leancoffee.org/"
                                  target="_blank">www.leancoffee.org</a><br>
                                Lean Coffee started in Seattle in 2009.
                                Jim Benson and Jeremy Lightsmith wanted
                                to start a group that would discuss Lean
                                techniques in knowledge work – but
                                didn’t want to start a whole new
                                cumbersome organization with steering
                                committees, speakers, and such. They
                                wanted a group that did not rely on
                                anything other than people showing up
                                and wanting to learn or create.<br>
                                <p><br>
                                  Apparently, (almost) everybody
                                  believes Lean Coffee is in fact a
                                  stripped-down "light" version of OST
                                  for smaller groups:<br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=www.leancoffee.org+open+space&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8"
                                    target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=www.leancoffee.org+open+space&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8</a><br>
                                  <br>
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                                Daniel <br>
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                                    <div>On 9/16/15 9:40 AM, Daniel
                                      Mezick via OSList wrote:<br>
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                                    <div>Bar Camp history does not
                                      support the idea that BarCamp
                                      precedes OST development:<br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp#History"
                                        target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp#History</a><br>
                                      The first BarCamp was held in <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto,_California"
                                        title="Palo Alto, California"
                                        target="_blank">Palo Alto,
                                        California</a>, from August
                                      19–21, 2005<br>
                                      <br>
                                      So interesting also, that the name
                                      derives (indirectly) from
                                      "foobar"...ha<br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp#History"
                                        target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp#History</a><br>
                                      The name <i>BarCamp</i> is a
                                      playful allusion to the event's
                                      origins, with reference to the
                                      programmer slang term, <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar"
                                        title="Foobar" target="_blank">foobar</a>:
                                      BarCamp arose as an
                                      open-to-the-public alternative to <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Camp"
                                        title="Foo Camp" target="_blank">Foo
                                        Camp</a>, which is an annual
                                      invitation-only participant-driven
                                      conference hosted by <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_O%27Reilly"
                                        title="Tim O'Reilly"
                                        target="_blank">Tim O'Reilly</a>.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      "Foo camp" which preceded Bar Camp
                                      also came much later than OST:<br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Camp"
                                        target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Camp</a><br>
                                      The first FOO Camp was held in
                                      August, 2003, and had
                                      approximately 200 attendees.<sup><br>
                                      </sup><br>
                                      Daniel <br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://www.openspaceagility.com/about"
                                        target="_blank">www.openspaceagility.com/about</a><br>
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                                      <div>On 9/16/15 4:53 AM, Martin
                                        Roell via OSList wrote:<br>
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                                        <pre>Hey Arno,

Arno Baltin via OSList wrote:
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                                          <pre>I have been assisting a group of professionals at organising their
annual meetings for couple of years. These have been unconferences in
different forms - Open Space, World Cafe, ... This time they chosed Bar
Camp. 
I have no experience with that. Reading through some materials, appears
it is more like a technically well supported Open Space which is a
preference of IT  people and a predecessor of OS. 
I would appreciate any hints on how to facilitate a Bar Camp.
It will be a 2 day meeting of (maximum) 100 participants.
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                                        <pre>Barcamp is like a badly done OpenSpace with some constraints that make
it harder to get work done.

So _basically_, if you just open space, like you normally would, but
calling the whole thing "BarCamp" (and saying the word "BarCamp" a lot,
Barcamping-People seem to like that), all will be well. (Or, in your
context, simply drop that, open space, and let people get to work.)

(Barcamps have a tendency for a "facilitator" to "help" people post
"sessions" to the marketplace. They also have a ritual where after a
person announces a "session" (it's always a "session", never an
"issue"), the "facilitator" asks the "participants" for a show of
interest ("raise your hand if you are interested in attemding this
session") so that they can then "plan" better (many hands: you get a big
room assigned). There is no circle at the beginning, and none at the
end. A lot of "teaching" takes places - extroverted people "giving"
sessions to the less extroverted one, much less walking-around, less
spontaneity. If "teaching" is the goal, they actually work decently.)

You'll probably get some slack from hardcore barcampers if you don't do
all of that; and you'll step on people's toes for not following other
barcamp-rituals, but I'd still go for it in the context you described.
Check in with your sponsor why they want "BarCamp" - what does that mean
for them, what's the important thing in that for them.

Best,

Martin
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