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A master chef and a new cook were discussing soup inside the
expansive kitchen of a rather comfortable prison. "Soup is
interesting," said the apprentice. "Everyone likes a good and hearty
soup." While they chopped the various ingredients, the subject of
spice came up. "I like a spicy soup," said the apprentice. The
master nodded knowingly as the apprentice enthusiastically added
various spices to the broth. Soon, they finished cooking. As the
soup cooled, the master chef placed it carefully in the
refrigerator.<br>
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The next morning, the soup was reheated, and each tasted it. "This
soup is not spicy enough!" said the apprentice, studying the master
for some kind of reaction. "It needs something extra." The
apprentice proceeded to add all manner of spices.<br>
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The soup was served that day. Only a few of the inmates consumed the
soup, and many complained bitterly about it among themselves.<br>
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In the weeks that followed, only a few of the 235 prison inmates
tried any kind of soup that was offered to them.<br>
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"Why are the all the inmates avoiding our soups?", asked the
apprentice. <br>
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"I notice that your soup is eaten only by those with no other
choice, and they do not finish it," said the Master.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/4/15 2:48 AM, gerardo de
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<div dir="ltr">An invitation is "an invitation" if and only if you
can refuse it.<br>
This is the core of it's relation with things like boundaries,
constraints, power and control. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Building on the constraints
conversation.Another lens I look at this same dynamic
through is control. When leaders are establishing
constraints they are often doing so to try to control
the situation or outcome. When control is to tight it
inhibits the innovation and emergence that can flow form
self-organization. Similarly no boundaries can leave a
system to loose for self-organization to coalesce around
emerging innovation and so cohesion is less likely.
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by our minds, and limited by our
imagination. So “constraints” are only what
you make them out to be. AND... it is always
nice to have as much “space/time” as
possible. A “genuine invitation” creates a
LOT of space/time.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt">People who write
sonnets accept constraints. monks and
nuns accept constraints. Musicians
accept constraints. Athletes accept
constraints. People who live on islands
accept constraints. The idea here is
that in accepting sometimes extremely
limiting constraints, you are forced to
go deeper in your work. AS a manager if
you also offer invitations into a
constrained space, you may indeed create
the conditions for some amazing things
to happen. “You have $3000 to work with
on your prototype, but you have to work
with two other people and get it done in
two days. Do you accept this
invitation? OK! Go!”</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt">yes! and there
is the chance to notice that there can
be a difference between a manager
imposing random constraints versus
clearly articulating and/or translating
the constraints that ARE already
existing in the environment. there is
also the possibility for managers to
overreact in the transmitting of
environment to system, to editorialize
and use outside forces as excuses for
imposing constraints. people can opt in
to constraints that are randomly or
otherwise badly articulated, but i think
the ideal to strive for is the very
cleanest transmission of the bigger
picture environmental constraints. the
practice of invitation is a kind of
search for truth(s) about what is.</span></p>
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--<br>
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Michael Herman<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at
12:03 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <<a
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wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My pithy statement
about how self-organization works was
not meant to be a tossed off reduction,
but rather it has important consequences
for managing.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Enabling
constraints can indeed be very rigid.
And in accepting the invitation to
step into that container, one can make
a conscious choice to confront the
stress and see what comes of it.
Deadlines, limited resources,
restrictive mandates, policies and
procedures are all constraints that
are “forced’ upon people at work. As
a manager you can always frame these
as an invitation: “your mission,
should you choose to accept it, is…”
As a participant you can choose to
accept it. Or not.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">People who write
sonnets accept constraints. monks and
nuns accept constraints. Musicians
accept constraints. Athletes accept
constraints. People who live on
islands accept constraints. The idea
here is that in accepting sometimes
extremely limiting constraints, you
are forced to go deeper in your work.
AS a manager if you also offer
invitations into a constrained space,
you may indeed create the conditions
for some amazing things to happen.
“You have $3000 to work with on your
prototype, but you have to work with
two other people and get it done in
two days. Do you accept this
invitation? OK! Go!”</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The truly
magnificent Open Space gatherings I
have been a part of in my life have
had a clear set of constraints
(sometimes rigid and narrow, sometimes
broad but still defined, as in “we are
talking about anything you want, but
if if you want to stop doing social
services and start building Volvos,
that isn’t going to make it into the
plan…”) and a clear invitation. Good
invitations are both attractors AND
boundaries. They require intention to
accept them; buy-in, if you will.
Peter Block says that a good
invitation contains a barrier…people
have to work to accept it. They have
to prioritize it to participate. When
those conditions are in place,
“Whoever comes are the right people”
loses all of its sometimes fatalistic
tone: we don’t merely accept folks
with a shrug and a “I guess this is
the best we could do.” Instead we see
participants as folks who have decided
to give something up in order to be
there. And that sharpens our
attention to one another, creates the
conditions for mutual respect and
engagement, and gives creative and
powerful conversations a real chance.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">By contrast
imposing an invitation and constraints
on people rarely works. An invitation
that uses a sexy door prize with a
genuine attractor is a bribe: “come to
this conversation you don’t want to
have and win an iPad!". And
invitation that forces people to show
up because “that’s what I’m paying you
for” is coercion. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When Michael Herman
and I did trainings years ago, the
training guide he put together had
this Kurt Hahn quote on the cover: "<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">There
are three ways of trying to win the
young. There is persuasion. There is
compulsion and there is attraction.
You can preach at them; that is a
hook without a worm. You can say
"you must volunteer." That is the
devil. And you can tell them, "you
are needed" that hardly ever fails.”
This is good advice.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s easy, when
your system is already command and
control, to end up doing things like
badly. The art of invitation IS the
art of Open Space. It’s a good
practice to learn.</p>
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2015, at 9:19 AM, Daniel
Mezick via OSList <<a
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white">Ron, </span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
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<span
style="background:white">So
interesting: </span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">You
wrote one thing below,
and that said, I know
you mean you'd <b><u>stay</u></b> if
it actually worked:</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">"But
I promised to give it
six months and if the
team <b>had <u>not</u> decided</b> that
XP was a load of rubbish
and were still doing it
after 6 months <b>I will
leave</b> and find
another job where sanity
still rained. "</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Freedom</span><br>
<span
style="background:white">-------</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">The
key is freedom. The key
(I think) is that YOUR
commitment was to an
"experiment for 6
months", not "a forced
march until further
notice" .... at least
in <i><u>your</u></i> mind.
In your mind you were
(and are) <b><i>free</i></b>...to
"Law-of-2-Feet it" out
of there !</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">And
so this is some small
part of the (freedom)
key: make a ....</span><br>
<br
style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<br>
</span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"a
commitment to
experiment" and then to </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"inspect
results" and then </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"throw
away what is not
working" and </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"keep
doing what is working
and do more of that"
and </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"do
more experiments." </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
<span
style="background:white">In
other words, to actually
implement Agile ideas in
an Agile way. </span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">"Until
Further Notice"</span><br>
<span
style="background:white">-----------------</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Last
time I checked, typical
Agile adoptions are of
the forced-march, "until
further notice" variety.
Hello?</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Let's
see: If the "until
further notice" style of
Agile adoption actually
worked, then (in theory
at least) we could now
joyfully point to tens
of thousands of
verifiable, happy,
healthy, whole, genuine,
authentic,
high-engagement Agile
adoptions. Right? It
would so be easy to
locate ten thousand of
them...if it actually
worked in the long
run....</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Houston...we
have a problem? </span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Committing
to Emergence (aka
"experimentation and
adaptation")</span><br>
<span
style="background:white">--------------------------------------------------------</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Commit
to <i>an experiment to
be inspected</i>. So
simple. Even joyful!</span><br>
<span
style="background:white">Ironically,
this IS the Agile
mindset, but ... <i>not
to be used when
actually implementing
Agile in large
organizations</i> apparently
!</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">Is
self-organization what
actually scales? If so,
why are we using any
other approach?</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">The
alternative-- a mandated
and forced march to
process change-- is
standard, and often the
source of many sorrows.</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">I
really, really , REALLY
like using Open Space in
new Agile adoptions.
Because it actually
works. And also like
using Open Space in
troubled Agile
adoptions, of which I
notice, there seems to
be no shortage of
supply.</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">The
good news is, we are
getting the [invitation]
meme out there into the
Agile world. We invite
everyone to give it a
try !</span><br>
<br>
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<br>
<span
style="background:white">Daniel</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="background:white">PS
Ron, nice suit !</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br
style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On
9/1/15 11:22 AM, Ron
Quartel wrote:</span></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">This
debate happens in the
world of agile also.
Specifically when we
talk about Extreme
Programming over
Scrum. Should a team
be told to do the
Extreme Programming
practices or do we
invite them to try
them is a debate that
rages again and again.
(Extreme programming
is a very disciplined
way of developing
software while scrum
prescribes no
disciplines.)</span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">The
challenge with
Extreme Programming
is that the
practices are
counter intuitive
and many will find
them distasteful.
E.g. why do I have
to pair program with
a junior developer?
That will slow me
down and we will get
less work done.</span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I
don't claim to have
an answer to force
vs. invite but I can
share my story on
how I came to love
Extreme Programming
(XP).</span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">XP
was forced on my dev
team. We were given
a new dev manager
who said we are
going to do XP. If
you didn't like it
you can use the law
of two feet to leave
the company. (Not
those words exactly
but I'm sure you get
the drift.) Now I
loved the team I was
with, the place I
worked and the work
we were doing but
absolutely hated XP.
But I promised to
give it six months
and if the team had
not decided that XP
was a load of
rubbish and were
still doing it after
6 months I will
leave and find
another job where
sanity still rained.
I hated everything
about XP and agile
and it took me way
out of my comfort
zone as a software
developer. But then
somewhere during the
six months the sense
of it started to
dawn on me and I
actually started
enjoying it. By the
end of six months I
was a fan and am now
an evangelist for
XP. I like finding
the haters and
assure them it's OK
to hate XP. When
they get it, they
become the biggest
advocates.</span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">So
was it wrong to have
XP forced on me? I
will leave that up
to you to decide. I
often wonder if I
would have ever come
around to agile and
especially XP if it
had not been forced
on me.</span></p>
</div>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">An
analogy I have to
learning XP is
learning downhill
skiing. There is a
point where you have
to do the
unintuitive and lean
down the slope. Your
body is screaming NO
but your ski
instructor is
telling you that is
how you do it. Turns
out he is right but
you have to get
through that
disbelief and
discomfort to get to
the other side. OK
that is forcing
myself after he
invited me to try it
- so maybe there
needs to be a little
of both?</span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Ron
Quartel</span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fast-agile.com/" target="_blank">FAST
Agile</a> - An
agile software
process
incorporating Open
Space Technology</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On
Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at
1:40 PM, Daniel
Mezick via
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"Is
it accurate to say
that some self
organizing happens
by invitation and
some happens by
coercion/force? " </span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
Great question
Lucas!<br>
<br>
<br>
The [invitation]
wall-poster you
suggest feels
wall-worthy to me,
so long as no one
is obligated to
examine it... or
even look at it.<br>
<br>
<br>
My turn to ask a
question: What
might a world
"void of
manipulation" and
"replete with
invitation"
actually look
like?<br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On
8/31/15 9:57 AM,
Lucas Cioffi via
OSList wrote:</span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Hi
All,</span></p>
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class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Is
it accurate to
say that some
self
organizing
happens by
invitation and
some happens
by
coercion/force?
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">For
example, from
the
perspective of
someone who
lives outside
of Iraq, the
way the Ba'ath
Party took
charge of Iraq
through a coup
seems like an
example of
self-organizing
by force to
us, because
we're outside
the system of
Iraq. I
welcome some
thoughts on
this.</span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Over
the past few
months (and
working with
Michael Herman
for VOSonOS)
I've seen that
the spirit of
invitation
shouldn't end
with the
writing of the
invitation,
and instead it
should be
present
throughout the
open space.
When someone
posts a topic
on the
marketplace
wall, they are
inviting
others to a
conversation,
not taking
over a time
slot (like
having a coup
and taking
over a small
country).</span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">When
someone wants
to be a
"dictator" of
their open
space session,
yes others can
use their two
feet and walk
out, but that
comes at a
cost to the
social fabric
of the
organization.
A better
outcome would
be that the
would-be
dictator holds
a welcoming
space from the
start. So I'd
recommend that
another sign
worth posting
on the wall
near "Law of
Two Feet"
would be
"Spirit of
Invitation".
I think it's
wall-worthy,
do you?</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I
think the clue
lies in the
wonderful word
"self".</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">We
are the selves
that organise.</span></p>
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