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Ron, <br>
<br>
So interesting: <br>
<br>
You wrote one thing below, and that said, I know you mean you'd <u><b>stay</b></u>
if it actually worked:<br>
<br>
"But I promised to give it six months and if the team <b>had <u>not</u>
decided</b> that XP was a load of rubbish and were still doing it
after 6 months <b>I will leave</b> and find another job where
sanity still rained. "<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Freedom<br>
-------<br>
<br>
The key is freedom. The key (I think) is that YOUR commitment was to
an "experiment for 6 months", not "a forced march until further
notice" .... at least in <u><i>your</i></u> mind. In your mind you
were (and are) <b><i>free</i></b>...to "Law-of-2-Feet it" out of
there !<br>
<br>
And so this is some small part of the (freedom) key: make a ....<br>
<br>
<ul>
<li>"a commitment to experiment" and then to </li>
<li>"inspect results" and then </li>
<li>"throw away what is not working" and </li>
<li>"keep doing what is working and do more of that" and </li>
<li>"do more experiments." </li>
</ul>
<br>
In other words, to actually implement Agile ideas in an Agile way. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"Until Further Notice"<br>
-----------------<br>
<br>
Last time I checked, typical Agile adoptions are of the
forced-march, "until further notice" variety. Hello?<br>
<br>
Let's see: If the "until further notice" style of Agile adoption
actually worked, then (in theory at least) we could now joyfully
point to tens of thousands of verifiable, happy, healthy, whole,
genuine, authentic, high-engagement Agile adoptions. Right? It would
so be easy to locate ten thousand of them...if it actually worked in
the long run....<br>
<br>
Houston...we have a problem? <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Committing to Emergence (aka "experimentation and adaptation")<br>
--------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
Commit to <i>an experiment to be inspected</i>. So simple. Even
joyful!<br>
Ironically, this IS the Agile mindset, but ... <i>not to be used
when actually implementing Agile in large organizations</i>
apparently !<br>
<br>
Is self-organization what actually scales? If so, why are we using
any other approach?<br>
<br>
<br>
The alternative-- a mandated and forced march to process change-- is
standard, and often the source of many sorrows.<br>
<br>
I really, really , REALLY like using Open Space in new Agile
adoptions. Because it actually works. And also like using Open Space
in troubled Agile adoptions, of which I notice, there seems to be
no shortage of supply.<br>
<br>
The good news is, we are getting the [invitation] meme out there
into the Agile world. We invite everyone to give it a try !<br>
<br>
<br>
(If you like this rant, you may also enjoy:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.openspaceagility.com/about">http://www.openspaceagility.com/about</a>)<br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
PS Ron, nice suit !<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/15 11:22 AM, Ron Quartel wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CABghsJ1XE=7+NSScB=RdzV-pvrZDhzDCWYSVM3v8O9dzmTG=3A@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">This debate happens in the world of agile also.
Specifically when we talk about Extreme Programming over Scrum.
Should a team be told to do the Extreme Programming practices or
do we invite them to try them is a debate that rages again and
again. (Extreme programming is a very disciplined way of
developing software while scrum prescribes no disciplines.)
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The challenge with Extreme Programming is that the
practices are counter intuitive and many will find them
distasteful. E.g. why do I have to pair program with a junior
developer? That will slow me down and we will get less work
done.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't claim to have an answer to force vs. invite but I
can share my story on how I came to love Extreme Programming
(XP).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>XP was forced on my dev team. We were given a new dev
manager who said we are going to do XP. If you didn't like it
you can use the law of two feet to leave the company. (Not
those words exactly but I'm sure you get the drift.) Now I
loved the team I was with, the place I worked and the work we
were doing but absolutely hated XP. But I promised to give it
six months and if the team had not decided that XP was a load
of rubbish and were still doing it after 6 months I will leave
and find another job where sanity still rained. I hated
everything about XP and agile and it took me way out of my
comfort zone as a software developer. But then somewhere
during the six months the sense of it started to dawn on me
and I actually started enjoying it. By the end of six months I
was a fan and am now an evangelist for XP. I like finding the
haters and assure them it's OK to hate XP. When they get it,
they become the biggest advocates.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So was it wrong to have XP forced on me? I will leave that
up to you to decide. I often wonder if I would have ever come
around to agile and especially XP if it had not been forced on
me.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>An analogy I have to learning XP is learning downhill
skiing. There is a point where you have to do the unintuitive
and lean down the slope. Your body is screaming NO but your
ski instructor is telling you that is how you do it. Turns out
he is right but you have to get through that disbelief and
discomfort to get to the other side. OK that is forcing myself
after he invited me to try it - so maybe there needs to be a
little of both?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ron Quartel</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fast-agile.com">FAST
Agile</a> - An agile software process incorporating Open
Space Technology<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Daniel
Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> "Is it accurate to
say that some self organizing happens by invitation and
some happens by coercion/force? " <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
Great question Lucas!<br>
<br>
<br>
The [invitation] wall-poster you suggest feels wall-worthy
to me, so long as no one is obligated to examine it... or
even look at it.<br>
<br>
<br>
My turn to ask a question: What might a world "void of
manipulation" and "replete with invitation" actually look
like?<br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/31/15 9:57 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Is it accurate to say that some self organizing
happens by invitation and some happens by
coercion/force? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For example, from the perspective of someone
who lives outside of Iraq, the way the Ba'ath
Party took charge of Iraq through a coup seems
like an example of self-organizing by force to us,
because we're outside the system of Iraq. I
welcome some thoughts on this.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Over the past few months (and working with
Michael Herman for VOSonOS) I've seen that the
spirit of invitation shouldn't end with the
writing of the invitation, and instead it should
be present throughout the open space. When
someone posts a topic on the marketplace wall,
they are inviting others to a conversation, not
taking over a time slot (like having a coup and
taking over a small country).</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">When someone wants to be a
"dictator" of their open space session, yes others
can use their two feet and walk out, but that
comes at a cost to the social fabric of the
organization. A better outcome would be that the
would-be dictator holds a welcoming space from the
start. So I'd recommend that another sign worth
posting on the wall near "Law of Two Feet" would
be "Spirit of Invitation". I think it's
wall-worthy, do you?</div>
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<div>Lucas Cioffi</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at
5:07 AM, Paul Levy via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>I think the clue lies in the wonderful
word "self".</div>
<div><br>
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<div>We are the selves that organise.</div>
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<div>Beautiful.</div>
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