<div dir="ltr">This debate happens in the world of agile also. Specifically when we talk about Extreme Programming over Scrum. Should a team be told to do the Extreme Programming practices or do we invite them to try them is a debate that rages again and again. (Extreme programming is a very disciplined way of developing software while scrum prescribes no disciplines.)<div><br></div><div>The challenge with Extreme Programming is that the practices are counter intuitive and many will find them distasteful. E.g. why do I have to pair program with a junior developer? That will slow me down and we will get less work done.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't claim to have an answer to force vs. invite but I can share my story on how I came to love Extreme Programming (XP).</div><div><br></div><div>XP was forced on my dev team. We were given a new dev manager who said we are going to do XP. If you didn't like it you can use the law of two feet to leave the company. (Not those words exactly but I'm sure you get the drift.) Now I loved the team I was with, the place I worked and the work we were doing but absolutely hated XP. But I promised to give it six months and if the team had not decided that XP was a load of rubbish and were still doing it after 6 months I will leave and find another job where sanity still rained. I hated everything about XP and agile and it took me way out of my comfort zone as a software developer. But then somewhere during the six months the sense of it started to dawn on me and I actually started enjoying it. By the end of six months I was a fan and am now an evangelist for XP. I like finding the haters and assure them it's OK to hate XP. When they get it, they become the biggest advocates.</div><div><br></div><div>So was it wrong to have XP forced on me? I will leave that up to you to decide. I often wonder if I would have ever come around to agile and especially XP if it had not been forced on me.</div><div><br></div><div>An analogy I have to learning XP is learning downhill skiing. There is a point where you have to do the unintuitive and lean down the slope. Your body is screaming NO but your ski instructor is telling you that is how you do it. Turns out he is right but you have to get through that disbelief and discomfort to get to the other side. OK that is forcing myself after he invited me to try it - so maybe there needs to be a little of both?</div><div><br></div><div>Ron Quartel</div><div><a href="http://fast-agile.com">FAST Agile</a> - An agile software process incorporating Open Space Technology<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Great question Lucas!<br>
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The [invitation] wall-poster you suggest feels wall-worthy to me, so
long as no one is obligated to examine it... or even look at it.<br>
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My turn to ask a question: What might a world "void of manipulation"
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<div>Is it accurate to say that some self organizing happens
by invitation and some happens by coercion/force? </div>
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<div>For example, from the perspective of someone who lives
outside of Iraq, the way the Ba'ath Party took charge of
Iraq through a coup seems like an example of self-organizing
by force to us, because we're outside the system of Iraq. I
welcome some thoughts on this.</div>
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<div>Over the past few months (and working with Michael Herman
for VOSonOS) I've seen that the spirit of invitation
shouldn't end with the writing of the invitation, and
instead it should be present throughout the open space.
When someone posts a topic on the marketplace wall, they are
inviting others to a conversation, not taking over a time
slot (like having a coup and taking over a small country).</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">When someone wants to be a "dictator"
of their open space session, yes others can use their two
feet and walk out, but that comes at a cost to the social
fabric of the organization. A better outcome would be that
the would-be dictator holds a welcoming space from the
start. So I'd recommend that another sign worth posting on
the wall near "Law of Two Feet" would be "Spirit of
Invitation". I think it's wall-worthy, do you?</div>
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<div>I think the clue lies in the wonderful word "self".</div>
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<div>We are the selves that organise.</div>
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