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Greeting to All,<br>
<br>
I like this thread. It is is very stimulating.<br>
<br>
Regarding magic:<br>
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." -Arthur C Clarke<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws</a><br>
<br>
Regarding reductionism:<br>
Reductionism does have it's purpose... <br>
...it is useful when attempting to reduce what appears to be "magic"
to "science."<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductionism">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductionism</a><br>
<br>
I notice that Open Space appears to display many characteristics of
magic. <br>
<br>
Magic appears to have 2 basic meanings: (see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic</a>)<br>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28paranormal%29"
title="Magic (paranormal)">Magic (paranormal)</a>, the use of
paranormal methods to manipulate natural forces</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28illusion%29"
title="Magic (illusion)">Magic (illusion)</a>, the art of
appearing to perform supernatural feats</li>
</ul>
<br>
Reductionism is responsible for exponential growth in knowledge
during the 20th century and beyond. <br>
<br>
I often ruminate on the observed values of our group here. It's
clear that magic is more highly-valued than science. Said another
way, tacit knowledge is valued more highly than explicit
knowledge... <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_knowledge">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_knowledge</a><br>
<br>
If it were otherwise, then by now we are busy reducing things, using
precise language to describe these reduced things, etc. <br>
<br>
<br>
For example, consider any attempt here, to describe any part of any
proposed definition, of ...Open Space.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regarding attraction and repulsion:<br>
<br>
<i>"On résiste à l'invasion des armées; on ne résiste pas à
l'invasion des idées." -Victor Hugo</i><br>
Translation-literal: "One resists the invasion of armies; one does
not resist the invasion of ideas." <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo">https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo</a><br>
<br>
Alternative translations and paraphrased variants:
<ul>
<li><b>One cannot resist an idea whose time has come.</b></li>
<li>No one can resist an idea whose time has come.</li>
<li><b>Nothing is stronger than an idea whose time has come.</b></li>
<li>Armies cannot stop an idea whose time has come.</li>
<li>No army can stop an idea whose time has come.</li>
<li>Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come.</li>
<li>There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world,
and that is an idea whose time has come.</li>
</ul>
<br>
Daniel <br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/15 8:09 AM, Harrison via OSList
wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Harold, I do enjoy your fighting spirit... and my way is Michael's.
Defending Open Space, in my experience is un-winnable and un-necessary.
People who choose to imprison themselves will continue to do so, by whatever
name, even in the name of freedom. And also, for some strange reason, Open
Space seems to be "self-correcting." Folks gathering for what they thought
was going to be Open Space suddenly find that the agenda has been set and
conversations controlled. It may take them a few minutes, but somebody will
doubtless say, "This sure ain't open space." What they do next can vary.
Sometime they just stand up and proclaim the space open. The sponsors are
usually a little put off, but good things do happen. At other times folk
just walk. Sad but understandable, and a lesson has been learned. Seems to
have worked that way for about 30 years.
Harrison
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Dear Harold and you other os workers around the world,
here is what I can do every day as far as "easy" steps are concerned
--- talk to someone today about what it means to a groups, an organísation
and other similar critters to experience the force of selforganisation
(pointing out that being in an OST event usually delivers)
--- tell someone about a pretty good starting point to find out more about
OST (books on the subject written by the fellow who stumbled on this and
books by experienced os-practitioners on their work)
--- calling a sponsor and have a chat on how things are going days or months
or years after an os-event I facilitated
--- contacting someone I think would benefit from and contribute to the
spread of open space and invite her/him to come to Krakow (it would be great
to have sponsors in Krakow)
I guess there are many other "easy" steps for many of us.
What I think belongs to the things not to do is what I have experienced in
my former life as an OD consultant, supervisor, trainer: Creating standards,
defining what it is and isnt, having a way of certifying
os-workers/facilitators/supervisors/etc and creating institutions to watch
over, copyright, etc. a process that has been unfolding since the big bang,
packaging it like a "new", "revolutionary", "highly effective", "etc"
medicine... its a sure way down to ossification and formalisation...
Greetings from a lovely morning in Berlin mmp
On 17.08.2015 01:03, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Artur,
Thanks for asking the Open Space Institute - U.S. to take some action.
Be it a YouTube channel or something else.
The watering down of the true essence of Open Space, and then slapping
"Open Space" on it, confuses everyone about what we've been
*successfully* accomplishing for 30 years. It's not the first time
it's happened, nor will it be the last - but each time it happens -
there are
*innocent* people who get the wrong message about what is open space.
As the OSI-US meeting is tomorrow - I will bring this to the agenda.
And as Harrison Owen said, we all are authorized to start
"institutes". A coherent group effort can make the best difference
here, starting from any of the other open space institutes, practice
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<pre wrap="">groups, stammtisch's, etc.
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<pre wrap="">
I'm glad for this conversation to continue as a starting point for
making some coordinated actions (like blog articles, twitter posts,
youtube videos, letters to the editor, etc.) The greater difference
Open Space makes - the more likely there will be this kind of
co-opting effect. But a smaller effort now can help others spread the
word when things like this happen.
What easy steps can we take today, so that more people say in the face
of yucky things like the Campus Europae Higher Education Open Space:
"Hey - that's *not* an open space! You should try an authentic one!"
Harold
On 8/16/15 3:43 AM, Artur Silva via OSList wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Thanks for your answer, Hélène.
I am afraid that when we talk or write we have to use words. The
point
is: shall we use "Open Space" without any further and correct
clarification or shall we always clarify what is our understanding of
what "Open Space" really is, in the context of OST?
But I agree with you that it would be much easier - and it is not
impossible - to use also images. For instance it would not be
difficult to create a channel on YouTube for Open Space (that is,
Open Space Technology) with many small films of successful OST
events, which could also be displayed - or linked from - the pages of
OS Institutes and practitioners around the world. I would suggest
that the OSI-US take the lead on creating that channel and selecting
the videos. I can provide the ones that were at the NING, I think In
a Pt OSonOS (Pt from Portugal), two years ago, in one of the breakout
sessions, there was a consultant lady, that was previously the HR
Director of the Portuguese delegation of a larger pharmaceutical
multinational. She told us that she was amazed because*she understood
for the first time what Open Space really was*, even*if she had
already attended some sessions organized for them by consulting
companies as being "Open Space" but where the facilitators
(?) were always intervening during all the session*. She finally
understood, from her experience at the Pt OSonOS, that what those
"facilitators" were doing was indeed closing the space for self
organization.
Have a nice Sunday
Artur
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Hi Artur and all of us!
thank you Artur for your message!
I've already got such observations from a O.S.facilitator in France
who was upset about an official organisation (conseil régional) who
wanted her to organize a "so-called" O.S. which in fact would be no
O.S. (= not all of the problem as you told below, but with one big
distorsion: the contents of the different workshops of the O.S. were
decided before! and of course without the participants) aren't you
aware about living in a world where only words exist "really"?
so don't use words anymore!
best wishes to everybody
Le 15/08/2015 19:14, Artur Silva via OSList a écrit :
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<pre wrap="">
The question, Paul, is that talking to this or that DG at EU about
the "need to open the space" is not enough. There is a strong need
to explain what Open Space means!
In this case, they have used the name (Open Space), but nor the
procedures of an OST event, neither the spirit of Open Space.
Regards
Artur
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A blessing Artur!
I have engaged with one of EU DGs the DG Connect and talked
extensively about the need for opening space in their events.
Who knows they are talking to each other?
Best
Paul
>From my iPhone
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<pre wrap="">Good morning Open Spacers:
I have received from a friend this mail that announces a “Higher
Education Open Space” organized by the European Union. He sent me
this happy because EU was adopting Open Space and he expected me to
be happy with that.
Here is the mail I have received:
*« Campus Europae Higher Education Open Space*
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/j3D5QLVQoIUZFJh6yH6JJUH9Aet">https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/j3D5QLVQoIUZFJh6yH6JJUH9Aet</a>
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P2jq8M=s0-d-e1-ft#<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gallery.mailchimp.com/e0ba59dcb487a8983ce">https://gallery.mailchimp.com/e0ba59dcb487a8983ce</a>
da27d9/images/081b2de9-cf33-4708-8890-fb8f96ab7807.pngThe
/Higher Education Open Space
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://eucis-lll.us5.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=e0ba59dcb487a8983ceda27d9&id=7c89775e7c&e=3bba19aa9f"><http://eucis-lll.us5.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=e0ba59dcb487a8
983ceda27d9&id=7c89775e7c&e=3bba19aa9f></a>/ (HEOS) 2015, following up
the /Council's communiqué after Yerevan/
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://eucis-lll.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e0ba59dcb487a8983ceda27d9&id=e8bd74d07c&e=3bba19aa9f"><http://eucis-lll.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e0ba59dcb487a89
83ceda27d9&id=e8bd74d07c&e=3bba19aa9f></a> will provide universities,
students and stakeholder representatives an open, innovative and
creative space for discussion on joint approaches to face these
challenges. It also aims to contribute in a concrete way to the
modernisation of higher education and to build alliances to
reinforce the competitiveness and governance of European
universities. It will allow for policy discussions and practical
working sessions through two main events: a conference on the 3rd
of November on how to reach 20% of student mobility by 2020 while
maintaining the quality of mobility flows; an Open Space on the 4th-5th
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<pre wrap="">of November addressing topical issues of universities, students and
stakeholders in the field of the modernisation agenda.
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<pre wrap="">Register until 30 September 2015!
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://eucis-lll.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e0ba59dcb487a8983ceda27d9&id=79c041547d&e=3bba19aa9f"><http://eucis-lll.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e0ba59dcb487a89
83ceda27d9&id=79c041547d&e=3bba19aa9f></a>
/» /(end of the mail)//
/If one looks to the Program (//
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://uni-foundation.eu/higher-education-open-space/conference"><http://uni-foundation.eu/higher-education-open-space/conference></a>/h
ttp://uni-foundation.eu/higher-education-open-space/conference/)
one finds the Agenda below (after my signature)./ /There are a lot
of speakers all the time!!! But even the sessions that could be
"open" are like this: /
/1) The session on /*”Disruptive innovation in the field of student
mobility”**has 4 experts speaking about it (no students, as far as
I can see)*
*2) The session of **“Group Discussion” (14:00 - 15:00) **has **4
predefined subjects**:* ·Funding strategies to increase exchanges
·Length matters: 1 semester vs. 1 year abroad ·Ad-hoc partnerships
and international consortia ·The increasing importance of QA and
recognition of credits
/*3) The*/*Round-table (15:30 - 17:00) **has 2
speakers****(Profs).***
**
*So my questions are:*
*-**Is this Open Space?***
*-**What is the concept of "Open Space" of the European Union?***
*-**Did they get that name (Open Space) from OST facilitators from
Europe or it was only the fact that “Open” is cool (and “Closed” is
awful) and they don’t even know what OST is?***
**
*I would like to have other opinions, especially from European
people more close to the center of Europe (somewhere in the line
from Brussels to Berlin…)* *Regards and have a nice week end*
**
*Artur*
*(From Portugal, in the Southwest of Europe - or is it in the North
of Africa? See the map bellow...)*
**
*----------------*
/*Attachment 1 */
Agenda
*09:00 - 09:30: Arrival and registration*
*09:30 - 10:30: Opening session*
·Opening speech
·Keynote speaker on the renewed framework of ET 2020
Speaker: Representative of the European Commission, Directorate
Education, Audiovisual and Culture ·The challenges of universities
to maintain quality in mobility while intensifying their mobility
flows
Speaker: Prof. Miguel Ángel Sotelo, President of the European
University Foundation ·The students’ perspective on the challenge
of increasing mobility
Speaker: Safi Sabuni, President of the Erasmus Student Network
*10:30 - 11:00: Coffee break*
*11:00 - 12:30: Disruptive innovation in the field of student
mobility* ·The automatic recognition of studies abroad
Speaker: Prof. Christoph Ehmann, Secretary-General of the European
University Foundation ·The Erasmus Without Papers network
Speaker: Valère Meus, International Relations Expert of the Ghent
University ·Solving the challenge of fair grade conversion
Speaker: Dr. Anthony Vickers, Bologna Expert, University of Essex
·Towards 100% of student mobility
Speaker: Prof. Éric Tschirhart, Vice-President of the University of
Luxembourg
*12:30 - 14:00: Lunch*
*14:00 - 15:00: Group discussions*
*Increasing the quantity and quality of student mobility* ·Funding
strategies to increase exchanges ·Length matters: 1 semester vs. 1
year abroad ·Ad-hoc partnerships and international consortia ·The
increasing importance of QA and recognition of credits
*15:00 - 15:30: Coffee break*
*15:30 - 17:00: Round-table*
*How universities can best reach 20% of student mobility and its
impact on society* ·Prof. Georg Winckler, former Rector of the
University of Vienna and former President of the EUA ·Prof. Éric
Froment, former President of the University Lumière Lyon
2 and former President of the EUA
*17:00 - 17:30: Closing session*
*Attachment 2 *
Map – Portugal in the world (and Azores as part of Portugal)…
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