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Hello Barry, Koos, Hege and All, <br>
<br>
Hmmm, I wonder if the key issue in this situation (as described by
Hege) is this actually one:<br>
<br>
[compulsion/imposition] <b>versus</b> [invitation]<br>
<br>
Here is one way to express it, in given-when-then format:<br>
<br>
Given:<br>
<ul>
<li>10 meeting spaces</li>
<li>04 meeting times (meaning 10X4=40 sessions possible)</li>
<li>04 pre-defined topics occupying 04 of the 10-total meeting
spaces in all timeslots</li>
<li>100% opt-in participation</li>
</ul>
<p>When:</p>
<ul>
<li>The event is happening<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Then:<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>Participants are free to fill up to (10 minus 04 equals 06)
spaces, across 04 meeting times = 24 sessions<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br>
Such a design implies a max of about 100 people, assuming the
common ratio of sessions-to-participants of about .2 to .3 (20 to
30 percent) ... yes and of course there are exceptions...<br>
</p>
<p>Illustration:<br>
</p>
<p>100 participants X .20 = about 20 anticipated sessions minimum<br>
100 participants X .30 = about 30 anticipated sessions maximum<br>
</p>
<p>Now, no one actually knows what might happen, so we can guess
instead. Guessing based on experience indicates that this "reserve
4 spaces" thing can work, as long as <br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>it's opt-in and <br>
</li>
<li>there is no compulsion to attend, and</li>
<li>there is no crowding out of likely sessions constructed in the
usual dynamic way<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br>
If more than 100 people are anticipated, then more times and/or
spaces probably need to be defined to accommodate "whatever
happens."<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>And...<br>
</p>
<br>
By definition, the design of Open Space prescribes [invitation] and
is repelled by and allergic to compulsion & imposition. <br>
<br>
So, if the 4 "politician-approved" topics are opt-in to attend,
there is no compulsion. This seems reasonable and in alignment and
supporting of the spirit of Open Space. I wonder if strong
suggestion in the OST-invite (and/or at the Opening, in words from
the Host) might be experienced as something less than open,
depending on the style, tone and tempo of the delivery? <br>
<br>
There is also want to examine this related link:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/on-persuasion/">http://newtechusa.net/agile/on-persuasion/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/15 7:36 AM, Barry Owen via
OSList wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr"><br>
Perhaps a format like BarCamp might be more suitable than Open
Space?</p>
<p dir="ltr">That format allows for prescription of topics
beforehand and offers the participants the opportunity to
request topics they want to learn more about or are willing to
lead discussions about. It is a derivative of open space, and is
not open space but its not a bad format for people who are not
willing to relinquish their control to the degree that open
space requires.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think you are correct in your thinking that what
they want is not open space. So attempting to do open space with
this group may be akin to fitting a round peg in a square hole</p>
<p dir="ltr">This message has been sent from my mobile device and
therefore may be somewhat wonky.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 7, 2015 5:34 AM, "Koos de Heer via
OSList" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear
Hege,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Filling the complete agenda beforehand is
not something I would do in Open Space. I do allow
people to prepare topics beforehand if they want to,
but then these conveners have to put their topic on
the marketplace with all the others. For me, the power
of Open Space is in the present, in the now. The
passion of the people at that moment is what drives
it. That moment when the invitation is out and people
come forward to write their topic on a piece of paper
is a very special moment, where the passion of NOW
becomes tangible. A pre-filled agenda does not fit in
with that.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">An interesting question of course is why
they want to do it that way. If only politicians can
fill the agenda, then (at least in my book) only the
politicians can be participants. If they want the
people of the community to be participants, then
everybody gets the opportunity to fill the agenda
together. If I understand yout mail correctly, they
want the community to participate but only the
politicians to create the agenda. There must be a
reason for that. Finding out that reason is important,
because then you might be able to show them that they
are trying to take a long route to their goal and that
there may be a much better, more direct route.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Good luck</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Koos</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
OSList [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
<b>Namens </b>Hege Steinsland via OSList<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 7 augustus 2015 11:56<br>
<b>Aan:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email
list <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [OSList] is OS apropriate to
fill a structure</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Dear
list - colleague.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">I´ve
worked with Open Space on two occasions in the same
municipality, and they seem to enjoy and value it. I
always work with OS as a process with a pre meeting
and a follow up meeting.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Now
they have designed a new structure for how the
politicians should organize </span><span
style="font-size:8.0pt">decision-</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt"> making in order to let the
politicians govern more for real and have more
interesting and meaningful tasks. They want let the
politicians be involved in filling the structure
with content, and want to use OS for this purpose.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">My
question:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Is
this open enough for an OS meeting? Is the structure
simply the givens and the question « how do we serve
our community the best within this structure» or
something like that?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Or do
we work better with World Cafe or other tools in
this situation?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Do
you have experience or advices to give me?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">I
wonder...</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">All
the best from</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Hege</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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