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    Hi Rosa,<br>
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    In my very limited experience, what happens is the
    formally-authorized leaders (not to be confused with
    "informally-authorized" leaders) either a) warm up to shifting how
    the handle authority, or b) they do not. Or, c) they pause for
    awhile... and then shift after they have integrated the learning
    from recent experience (almost) letting go. <br>
    <br>
    So for example in a large bank with over 30K employees, I helped
    with 2 OST events inside a division of about 2500 people. We did 2
    large events of 400 seats each, in two different cities. The hosts
    or sponsors of these events to this day are still constrained by the
    following:<br>
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    1. They are not omnipotent across the organization, and can only do
    what they are formally authorized to do. They cannot for example
    repeal the formal hierarchy. Even in their own small division...<br>
    <br>
    2. They have their own personal integration-of-learning to do,
    before being comfortable with going any further with the
    OST/self-organized approach. <br>
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    This is why I think periodic OST events about every 6 months makes
    great sense for most organizations who seek . Because truth be told,
    the space is often returns to being closed, tight as clam. <br>
    <br>
    And if by chance we do open some space, in typical well-established
    orgs, the natural tendency seems to be... to close again.<br>
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    Regards,<br>
    Daniel <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/18/15 10:13 AM, Rosa Zubizarreta
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                                                <div>Daniel, I hear you
                                                  mention repeatedly,
                                                  that mandating stuff
                                                  doesn't work.<br>
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                                                I fully agree with you.
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                                              "Mandating stuff is a
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                                            I agree. <br>
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                                          What's happening at Zappo's is
                                          nuts.<br>
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                                        I agree.<br>
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                                      I also agree with Harrison about
                                      the power and prevalence of the
                                      informal organization, everywhere.<br>
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                                    And, about the power of Open Space
                                    Technology to offer a "speeded up,
                                    concentrated experience of
                                    self-organization in action."<br>
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                                  what I was curious about (and I
                                  realize I didn't express it so
                                  clearly...) was about what happens <i>after</i>
                                  OST events...<br>
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                                I'm curious to know, whether people in
                                the organizations you know, generally
                                remain content with having the
                                hierarchical<br>
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                              "patterns and flows of energy" remain in
                              place (maybe as a sort of decoy??) while
                              the informal organization continues in a
                              more energized manner...<br>
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                            or, if you have seen sometimes, a
                            self-organizing move to create a "pattern or
                            flow of energy" that "flash-framed", looks
                            different than a triangle. <br>
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                          (again.. NOT like what happened at Zappos. NOT
                          "mandated from above".)<br>
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                        I realize I have been making a (possibly
                        unfounded) assumption that this is not happening
                        very much. <br>
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                      And, it may be that I am just uninformed...<br>
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                    Another way of wording it... <br>
                    I'm curious to learn about instances where the
                    already-happening-everywhere-self-organization,<br>
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                  after being "speeded up and concentrated" via OST, <br>
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                leads to new structures (i.e. "freeze-framed patterns
                and flows of energy")<br>
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              that look different than the older ones.<br>
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            Feels like a valid question to me,<br>
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          yet not sure if this is the place to ask it...<br>
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          and, I am still sad that the tragically flawed circus at
          Zappos is giving participatory management a bad name. <br>
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        <div>I do wish they had listened to you, Daniel. <br>
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          And/ or, to anyone else who might have helped them understand,
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        <div>that it's crazy-making and doomed to "mandate
          participation".<br>
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        <div>with all best wishes,<br>
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        <div>Rosa <br>
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                                                          Zubizarreta<br>
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                                                          <div><span><i><a
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                                                          <div>Author of
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Daniel
          Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I join Harrison is
              what he is saying. <br>
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              "...<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">if

                we want a speeded up, concentrated experience of self
                organization in action, we know what to do."</span><br>
              <br>
              One time on the phone talking about this, Harrison
              (paraphasing,)  you said: <br>
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              "..the real operating system is self-organization.
              Everything is is [an app.]"<br>
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              I like that quote.<br>
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              Quoting the NYT article: some interesting items in it....<br>
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              "The end result was what he refers to as an “operating
              system” for organizations."<br>
              <br>
              ...stop right there: <br>
              the holacracy people are really pushing this metaphor.
              "holacracy as operating system." Maybe not? Or maybe
              (scary idea) organizations are not machines at all. Maybe
              they are living systems? Which are not quite so easy to
              describe, manipulate, "program" ...and control?<br>
              <br>
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              <br>
              <br>
              "... Everyone must use the Holacracy software, called
              Glass Frog."<br>
              <br>
              ...wait:<br>
              Everyone MUST use? Really? How's that mandate actually
              working out?<br>
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              "... Holacracy has been met with everything from cautious
              embrace to outright revulsion at Zappos, but little
              unequivocal enthusiasm."<br>
              <br>
              ...stop right there.<br>
              Maybe coercion is actually a bad idea?<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              "....I have five hours of meetings today.”"<br>
              <br>
              ...stop right there:<br>
              Are these meeting mandatory to attend? Can you opt-out of
              any of these "holacracy" meetings? Guessing no...<br>
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              "... Mr. Hsieh sent a 4,700-word email to the entire
              company with an ultimatum: Embrace Holacracy or accept a
              buyout. "<br>
              <br>
              ...wait: an ultimatum? Does that actually work?<br>
              The spin is that all remaining employees are now "all-in."
              The reality is probably quite far from that:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <br>
              "... For all of the talk of self-management and consensus
              building, the decision to go down this path was Mr.
              Hsieh’s alone."<br>
              <br>
              Wait:<br>
              Is this a command, from authority, to self-organize? If
              so, how does that actually work?<br>
              <br>
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              "...Mr. Hsieh he emphasized that learning Holacracy was
              like learning a sport — it would take years to get good at
              it."<br>
              <br>
              stop.right.there:<br>
              Could this be code for "it could take years to <b><i>replace</i></b>
              everyone."  ???? <br>
              <br>
              If so, is this the new normal? Replace everyone? Does that
              actually count as a successful change/innovation program?
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              <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://medium.com/@DanielMezick/adopting-holacracy-at-zappos-6664d70c0b5d"
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              Self-organization: Do coercive mandates actually work?<br>
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              If not: Is this what actually might scale? Is this what
              actually might work?<br>
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                        said...</span> “<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                        do think it would be kinda fun for all of that
                        self-organizing that is already happening
                        anyway, to come up with some alternative
                        structures to the regular old pyramids we see
                        all over the place...a bit of color in the
                        landscape, as it were...”   </span></p>
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                        --There is a big secret. “All that
                        self-organizing” is coming up with new
                        structures every moment. “Structure” is actually
                        an inaccurate way of talking about what is
                        happening... more like patterns or flow of
                        energy. “Flash framed” it does look like a
                        structure, but that is really an illusion. An
                        artifact of our perception. But it sort of
                        works. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anyhow,

                        it seems to me that there is some 13.7 billion
                        years worth of examples of just precisely what
                        you are talking about. It is only very recently
                        that we (Homo sapiens) tried doing our own
                        thing. Lots of wonderful names (Process
                        re-engineering, etc) but precious little
                        positive impact that I can see. Yes I know
                        sometimes it seems that these marvelous
                        inventions of ours seem to work...and of course
                        lots of people make lots of money maintaining
                        the illusion. But in moments of honesty, usually
                        over a drink, everybody who has been around,
                        even for a little bit, is totally aware that
                        nothing ever happened according to the plan,
                        design, etc... When pushed for source, the usual
                        answer (given very quietly) is “The Informal
                        System,” which by definition nobody organized.
                        And that drives Management to despair. In fact
                        they try to kill “the informal system” at every
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                        folks are busily containing, controlling, and
                        destroying the one thing that enables
                        organizations to function. Is that nuts? Seems
                        to me that before we design anything new, it
                        would be well to sit quietly and fully
                        appreciate what is already there, and doing
                        quite well. Thank you. And of course if we want
                        a speeded up, concentrated experience of self
                        organization in action, we know what to do.
                        Works every time as long as we don’t try to
                        organize it. Wonderful!</span></p>
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                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList</span></p>
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                        <b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 17, 2015 10:05 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space
                        Technology email list<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Zappos Being Zapped</div>
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                                                Daniel, as you wrote,
                                                "mandating a process
                                                change is a recipe for
                                                disaster."</p>
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                                              of what the process is...
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                                              but ESPECIALLY if it's one
                                              that's supposed to "help
                                              people feel more
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">for me,
                                            it's sad to see what's
                                            happening at Zappo's.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">especially
                                          because i happen to think that
                                          interlocking circles is a
                                          fairly decent structure,</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">as far as
                                          structures go...</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I'm not so
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                                        decision-making aspect of
                                        holocracy/sociocracy...</p>
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                                      style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">but
                                      the structural part feels fairly
                                      sound to me.</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">i know the
                                    orthodoxy around here is that "it's
                                    all self-organizing anyway"...</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">at the same time, I
                                  do think it would be kinda fun for all
                                  of that self-organizing that is
                                  already happening anyway,</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">to come up with some
                                alternative structures to the regular
                                old pyramids we see all over the
                                place...</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">a bit of color in the
                                landscape, as it were... </p>
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                              just not that evolved yet! :-) </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Rosa</p>
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                                                          Zubizarreta</i></p>
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target="_blank"><b>www.DiaPraxis.com</b></a></i></p>
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                                                          May 26-28<b> </b>near<b>
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                                                          June 12-16 in
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href="http://www.solutiongeneratorsnetwork.org/1.0/dynamic-facilitation/"
target="_blank">Durham, NC</a></b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.solutiongeneratorsnetwork.org/1.0/dynamic-facilitation/"
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at
                            7:08 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
                              target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>

                            wrote:</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Sheesh. Yes, and...<br>
                              <br>
                              ..I did some consulting for Zappos in
                              prior years. As part of that, I know Tony
                              and have taken some meals with him, some
                              at his home. <br>
                              <br>
                              In early 2014, I had lunch with Tony and
                              some of his staff. A very dear friend
                              arranged the meeting.<br>
                              <br>
                              The purpose was to introduce him to Open
                              Space and discuss how it might be a good
                              tool for helping encourage
                              self-organization at the Downtown project
                              (DTP) and Zappos proper. During that meal,
                              I left him with a printed copy of the
                              BRIEF GUIDE, and some pictures of what OST
                              in action looks like. Not too much stuff,
                              just enough to hopefully get him
                              interested. A kind of invitation as it
                              were.<br>
                              <br>
                              At the time, he described some issues with
                              "holacracy" at the DTP and Zappos itself.
                              I explained how OST might actually be
                              perfect given the situation an timing. I
                              left the meeting upbeat and thinking he
                              might go all the way. <br>
                              <br>
                              It didn't take. <br>
                              <br>
                              Later in March 2014, I wrote this:<br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/"
                                target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/</a><br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              The self-organizing universe creates
                              stories you just cannot make up. <br>
                              <br>
                              Example: <br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://pando.com/2015/07/08/staff-tony-hsiehs-downtown-project-voted-abandon-holacracy-nine-months-ago/fcbd6b7081af428b88d24fddd3fbadfbee6910ea/"
                                target="_blank">https://pando.com/2015/07/08/staff-tony-hsiehs-downtown-project-voted-abandon-holacracy-nine-months-ago/fcbd6b7081af428b88d24fddd3fbadfbee6910ea/</a><br>
                              <br>
                              Regards,<br>
                              Daniel </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/17/15 5:26
                                    PM, Harrison via OSList wrote:</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">From the New
                                      York Times: <a
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href="http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=InCMR7g4BCKC2wiZPkcVUlDMaFOsPrCW&user_id=d0877bb1019932ce3160783833511913&email_type=eta&task_id=1437166724712134&regi_id=0"
                                        target="_blank"><b>http://nyti.ms/1Jn1nwh
                                        </b></a> Do Love this story.
                                      Zappo is going to install
                                      holarchical, self organizing
                                      management systems.  How many
                                      oxymoron’s can you get in one
                                      sentence? And according to the
                                      Times, the big problem is that
                                      nobody can understand what is
                                      going on. Marvelous! – As bright
                                      as Homo sapiens may be, we really
                                      don’t have clue when it comes to
                                      the complex, interconnected world
                                      on which we are momentarily
                                      passengers. But no worries. It
                                      really doesn’t depend on “our
                                      understanding.” A fact that “we”
                                      all experience each and every time
                                      we have the privilege of “Opening
                                      Space.” We don’t understand it. We
                                      don’t “do it.”  Seems to happen
                                      pretty much by itself. Just
                                      marvelous... Holarchical, self
                                      organizing, management system!
                                      Happens every time. All by itself.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Harrison</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Winter Address</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">7808 River
                                      Falls Drive</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Potomac, MD
                                      20854</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Summer Address</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">189 Beaucaire
                                      Ave.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Camden, ME
                                      04843</p>
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                              <p>Examine my new book:  <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/"
                                  target="_blank">The Culture Game </a>:
                                Tools for the Agile Manager.</p>
                              <p>Explore Agile Team <a
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                    <p>Daniel Mezick, President</p>
                    <p>New Technology Solutions Inc.</p>
                    <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:%28203%29%20915%207248"
                        value="+12039157248" target="_blank">(203) 915
                        7248</a> (cell)</p>
                    <p><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/"
                          target="_blank">Bio</a></span><span>. <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/"
                          target="_blank"><span>Blog</span></a>. <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/"
                          target="_blank"><span>Twitter</span></a>.<span> </span></span></p>
                    <p><span>Examine my new book:<span>  </span><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/"
                          target="_blank"><span>The Culture Game </span></a></span><span>:
                        Tools for the Agile Manager</span><span>.</span></p>
                    <p>Explore Agile Team <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/"
                        target="_blank"><span>Training</span></a> and <a
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                        target="_blank"><span>Coaching.</span></a></p>
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      <p class="p1">New Technology Solutions Inc.</p>
      <p class="p1">(203) 915 7248 (cell)</p>
      <p class="p2"><span class="s1"><a
            href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/">Bio</a></span><span
          class="s2">. <a href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/"><span
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            href="http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/"><span class="s1">Twitter</span></a>.<span
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      <p class="p3"><span class="s2">Examine my new book:<span
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              class="s1">The Culture Game </span></a></span><span
          class="s1">: Tools for the Agile Manager</span><span
          class="s2">.</span></p>
      <p class="p1">Explore Agile Team <a
          href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/"><span
            class="s3">Training</span></a> and <a
          href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/"><span
            class="s3">Coaching.</span></a></p>
      <p class="p1">Explore the <a
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