<div dir="ltr">here's how i described it over in the facebook group...<div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span>(1) make the largest possible circle in your space. (2) make one or more additional circles INSIDE the first circle. make each one small enough (far enough IN from the first, so that people can walk n</span></span><span style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span><span>ormally rather that squeeze sideways between rows. (3) now make openings in "inner" circles so that you have only 3 to 6 or maybe 7 chairs and then a 2-chair opening. </span></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span><span><br></span></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span><span>sometimes i've made one big (long) circle and then a few inside rows at each end of a long cigar-shaped room. the point is that there is only one circle, and then extra, front-row seats inside, rather than a circle with backrows or corners where people are outside of the main circle. also, by putting more openings and more space between rows, we expose more people to the spaciousness of the center of the circle. this way, everybody feels that exposure and has easiest possible access to markers and paper at center.</span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span><span><br></span></span></span></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">add to this what harrison said... about also maintaining as much space in the center as you can (and leaving space against the main wall... and you have a balance to work out the spacing in any circle(s) and any room. </span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">and kari, i have heard about one group, a hospital organization, where the room they had simply wasn't big enough for chairs for everyone. they did one big circle, some inside rows (partial circles) and then invited folks to sit on the floor. worked as usual.</span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)">and then there was this event... 200+ people in a cigar-shaped room... the picture in this post shows not even half of the group. everything is wrong, including the eye-killing carpet. and the marketplace is about to be posted on that tiny little wall at the end of the circle. and it worked anyway!</span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px"><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/scrum1.jpg">http://www.michaelherman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/scrum1.jpg</a> photo</span><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px"><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com/wordpress/archives/2008/06/16/scrum/">http://www.michaelherman.com/wordpress/archives/2008/06/16/scrum/</a> post</span><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#141823" face="helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.0799999237061px;background-color:rgb(246,247,248)"><br></span></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><br><br></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Great conversation! Michael Herman posted a very interesting idea on
the Facebook which I hope to try out. He said his approach with
multiple concentric circles is to try to have the outer circle be
the only "real" complete circle, and the inner circles are more like
broken groups of chairs of 7. I have trouble visualizing it - but I
sense it would help. At large OST events with more one circle, the
inner most circle in my experience is the most engaged circle.
Spectators go to the back. And it's hard to get to the center from
anywhere but the center circle. Michael H's idea may not maximize
the number of people you can put in the room, but it does attempt to
make the center more equally accessible.<br>
<br>
What Michael M.P. speaks two subjects around the circle setup
strikes a chord in me. Firstly, for those setting up an OST, it is
*very* important to know the regulations and restrictions of the
venue and the local laws for chair setup. At my local University,
there was an insurance issue about someone tripping while moving
chairs around so they don't let attendees move their own chairs.
Only the paid facilities personnel are allowed. I pushed back a bit
and they said they didn't mind if there was a little bit of chair
movement and adjustment, but not mass migrations. Which meant we
couldn't reuse the chairs in the main circle for breakouts in that
space (which meant renting more space for breakouts), and it
required there be lots of space around the agenda wall since we
couldn't ask people to self-organize the movement of chairs.
Frustrating! I believe Open Space really works best with a flexible
chair set up. But whatever is - just is.<br>
<br>
Michael M. P. also mentioned that a flawed circle can diminish the
OST. This is something I've also experienced. I do wonder about also
allowing the circle to breathe. If it's "too perfect", it can feel
static and un-alive. I think this element of "perfection" in the
posters and the facilitation can also be an issue. It should have an
element of imperfection and transience. The Japanese aesthetic of
Wabi-Sabi comes to mind. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Harold<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 6/8/15 1:54 AM, Michael M Pannwitz
via OSList wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Dear
Anna,
<br>
<br>
if you do this in Germany (as we did with the 2108 in Würzburg)
you
<br>
need to deal with the fire department ... and every one of the 16
states
<br>
has different rules. Usually, you are limited to 199 chairs that
you can
<br>
place any way you like in a room. If you have more, the exact
floor plan
<br>
with the circles and all needs to go through an administrative
<br>
process... usually (always) the people in the venue know about
this. If
<br>
you have more than 199 chairs, the chairs need to be either bolted
to
<br>
the floor are hinged together, mostly in bunches of 5.
<br>
<br>
In Würzburg we got around all of this by getting 2108 pillows in
I
<br>
think 13 concentric circles... the were then also used by
participants
<br>
for breakout spaces, massage areas, napping spaces ... etc.
<br>
<br>
For the geometry itself you got a large number of highly
professional
<br>
pointers alreadd, I just want to add
<br>
Start with the inner circle and have it be a really perfect
circle.
<br>
S.H. (something happens OR selforganisation happens) when the
circle is
<br>
perfect.
<br>
Do you remember the situation in the Moscow WOSonOS a few years
ago when
<br>
things were simply perceived as pretty awful by the facilitator (I
think
<br>
it might have been Raffi) and he asked one of the seniors of OST
present
<br>
(I am sure it was Birgitt Williams) what she suggests we should
do. She
<br>
got up and asked very one in the room to grab their chairs and
make a
<br>
perfect circle of what actually was a pretty messed up circle.
<br>
Folks followed her suggestion, got up, created a perfect circle,
sat
<br>
down and then instantaneously mega
<br>
S.H.
<br>
<br>
hugs
<br>
mmp
<br>
<br>
PS: Go to this very long link to get more details on the Würzburg
event
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://openspace-landschaft.de/an_veran.asp?veranstaltungId=355&sprache=en&von_seite=ue_veranstaltung.asp&ds=8&branche=&begleiterId=9&anzeigeOrtId=0" target="_blank">http://openspace-landschaft.de/an_veran.asp?veranstaltungId=355&sprache=en&von_seite=ue_veranstaltung.asp&ds=8&branche=&begleiterId=9&anzeigeOrtId=0</a>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you use the following link you get to the pretty fantastic
photo story by Erich Kolenaty where you can click on a pdf file
which I am afraid is too bulky to attach to this mail
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.transformation.at/article46.htm" target="_blank">http://www.transformation.at/article46.htm</a>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
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08.06.2015 06:05, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Thanks Harrison.
<br>
<br>
In my experience, two meters is fine to pass behind the rows on
your
<br>
way to the agenda wall, but it is not enough when you have 300
people
<br>
in front of the agenda wall trying to figure out where they want
to
<br>
go. You don’t want people tripping over the empty chairs that
are in
<br>
the way. So directly in front of the agenda wall, I would allow
for
<br>
at least 6 meters (20 feet) if you have 300 participants.
<br>
<br>
Good luck Anna Carolina!
<br>
<br>
Koos
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I do love this! And Koos – your spread sheet is fabulous!!
Frankly,
<br>
I’ve found that the basic “rule of thumb” – take the rated room
size
<br>
and divide by 2 -- will get you started. (A room rated for 300
will
<br>
work well for an Open Space of 150)... and from there on out you
just
<br>
have to go with the flow. Remembering: 1) Have as much space in
the
<br>
center as you can, so folks aren’t all crowed together. After
all
<br>
this is OPEN Space. And 2) Leave a meter or two (3-6 feet)
between
<br>
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issues.
<br>
Congestion slows everything down. After that, anything will
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fun!
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Please help me do the math: How is the radius of concentric
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