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Yes, I think Christine's reference to a real/burning/business issue
is an important one. At issue is, on balance, which setting provides
a greater probability that the real/burning/business issue can be
clearly identified before the gathering. <br>
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My current belief is that, on balance, all else being
equal.....these real/burning/business issues are much more likely to
be found "inside organizations" rather than "inside conferences."<br>
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Once in a while a real/burning/business issue can show up in public
events; these to me are exceptions that prove what appears to be a
more general rule. <br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div dir="ltr">i like this example, christine.
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<div>and daniel, your latest reminds me that i've seen some
very-lite agile incarnations of opening space. it might be
that the hyper focus on process makes the agile folks prone to
go deep with it on the one hand and to play fast and loose
with outer trappings on the other. </div>
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<div>as christine's highlighting, the conversation about
noticing these conditions is valuable, separately from the
classifying of events. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:44 PM,
christine koehler via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">hi Dan
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<div>Maybe the difference does not lie in the difference
between public and private events, but as Harrison says,
whether there is a real « business » issue.</div>
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<div>Let me give you an example : I facilitated a public
OST event, sponsored by an ad-hoc collective of
non-profit, to discuss the issue of the role and place,
today and in the future,of non-for-profit organizations.
The invitation was quite long, very strong , and
reminded the context to everyone : the lowering of
public funding for more than one third within a few
years, and also the number of jobs that the non-profit
sector was providing and the danger they are now facing.
Public authorities were duly invited (and came). Urgency
was stated in the invitation.</div>
<div>Event was public : invitation had been widely sent,
via flyers given hand to hand in the street or put into
public places , but also via email of relevant networks.</div>
<div>And yes, the sponsor had taken a great risk in
organizing the event, but it’s intention was clear and
reaffirmed in the opening. And the follow-up (date and
place) of the event was clear also even before the event
started and announced at the event. </div>
<div>The event was a success : very very deep
conversations,very few butterflies, people being really
caught in their subjects. </div>
<div>One of the result was that they collective changed
its name and form to represent more clearly the spirit
of the discussions that took place during those 2 days :
open, frank, direct and affirming. New energy was found
to organize more discussions and meetings and they did
a few months later another OST, to keep that open
spirit. 8 months after, they are still engaged in
conversations.</div>
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<div>It was a much better OST than a private one I had
facilitated before where the sponsor had not committed
itself to anything and felt personally offended when his
managers did not dare propose topics. No real change was
expected from the group, only minor ones, although the
group had some real issues. That was obvious . </div>
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<div>Very good lesson for me, I learned a lot although it
has been very painful. So now I do take the
preconditions very seriously no matter who the sponsor
is, whether the event is public or private etc... And ,
as Harrison suggests, I also avoid transforming a
regular seminar (like a managers annual meeting) into an
open space meeting, unless the intention is clearly to
change the way they work every day.</div>
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Christine </div>
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<div class="h5"><span
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Jeff, Chris, Michael and All,</span><br
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<span
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of all thanks for your engagement in the
thread's topic; and adding to the
discussion.</span><br
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<span
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I feel that I have to explain myself here.<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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sleeping on this, I have come to realize
that part of what is motivating me to post
about "public vs private" events is....<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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limited experience in Open Space.<span> </span></span><br
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<li>I've attended dozens of public
Agile-conference or software-conference
events with segments that included OST.<span> </span></li>
<li>I've arranged and helped to execute and
participated in less than 20 OST gathering
held inside organizations.<span> </span></li>
<li>I've also attended a few
Open-Space-community events that were all
OST over several days.</li>
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<span
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not a huge amount of experience data and
almost all of is Agile-related. Agile being
one kind of process change...</span><br
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so here is my "aha", and related confession:
almost all of my OST experience has been
part of the Agile community (public
conference events) or using OST with Agile
adoptions (private OST events.)</span><br
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the differences are very striking. And
that's where I am starting from when I
discuss the divergences between public vs
private events. My entire experience is
around Agile stuff. In in this space, the
differences are, well, striking.</span><br
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role of the Sponsor being an obvious
example...</span><br
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contributes:</span><br
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experience is that sponsors of any event who
are unwilling to do the pre-work to shape an
intention and invitation and to design the
architecture for implementation of the
results (whatever those results are expected
to be) will miss the mark on
transformation."</i><br
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with respect to private corporate events:
you can say that again!<span> </span></span><br
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if we look at the role of the Sponsor in a
public event, say, an annual confab, like in
a community of practice, like the Agile
community for example, we can see some
striking differences there.<span> </span></span><br
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a public event, almost anyone can stand up
and welcome the group and discuss the
context, introduce the Facilitator, etc. So
for example if the conference Chair wanted
to delegate this temporary Sponsor role to
someone else, they could, and the OST will
not likely suffer from that. Because the
cohesion is low. The folks are only there
for 1,2,3 days, that is the risk or the
investment or commitment to it.<span> </span></span><br
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if this Sponsor-delegation stuff happened in
org, and someone with little authority sent
the invite, did the Sponsor role stand-up,
welcoming etc, the signal is clear: this
event is not authorized and therefore has no
oomph.<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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Sponsor role:</span><br
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<span
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<span
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Agile-adoption clients, I've seen this
Sponsor-delegation stuff suggested and have
strongly guided against doing it, based on
the hypothesis that for process-change and
other kinds of triggering transitions in
organizations, the OST event must be clearly
and highly authorized.<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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Invite:</span><br
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<span
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<span
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n most Agile-conference OST events, there IS
NO INVITE WHATSOVER. The invite is implied
via the conference offer, and attending the
event constitutes acceptance of that
"invite." Add to this the fact that the
theme is often emergent in nature, defined
not weeks in advance but instead days or
hours in advance.<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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Proceedings:</span><br
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<span
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<span
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the proceedings. In public events, they are
often nonexistent or an afterthought. In
private events...WOW they are all over it.<span> </span></span><br
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<br
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<span
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Agile-related OST events: Not a whole bunch
of people have experience observing public
vs private OST events in the Agile space. If
they do, they are not documenting or
publishing them. Harold Shinsato has some
experience here and I think Tricia
Chirumbole also has a bit of this experience
with both. As I say previously, most all my
experience with OST is inside Agile-related
situations, both public and private
events....</span><br
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<span
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the end what I am saying is: the way the
Sponsor plays, the Invite, and the
Proceedings are all very different in my
experience when comparing public vs private
(all Agile-related!) events.</span><br
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<span
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think what I am calling "low cohesion" is a
real factor in typical public Agile events.
Does this pattern carry to non-Agile spaces?
Circumstantial evidence includes the fact
that BarCamp and Unconference formats have
proliferated via public events; I view these
formats as "OST Lite" derivatives of OST.<span> </span></span><br
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wonder of this creation of more bare-bones
OST-related gathering formats like Barcamp
and Unconference for conference events tends
to support what I am saying?<span> </span></span><br
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there you go. I wonder what y'all think
about this...</span><br
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4/27/15 11:35 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:<br>
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<div>I think what you are proposing is
interesting, measuring the conditions and
how much of each there are. I say
generally, that the more of each you have,
the better OST works. But I’d never be
able to really put a number on it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And my experience is that there seems
to be no difference between the likelihood
of public or private events being anymore
or less likely to exhibit these
conditions. There is nothing inherent tin
the ontology of these two kinds of events
that would predict that. The five
pre-conditions do seem to point at
specific factors in the ontology of an
event that would make for a potentially
richer OST event. Radical transformation
is rare and is never guaranteed. But we
can work with conditions to create
potential.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>in fact for me it comes down to the
pre-work. My experience is that sponsors
of any event who are unwilling to do the
pre-work to shape an intention and
invitation and to design the architecture
for implementation of the results
(whatever those results are expected to
be) will miss the mark on transformation.
(and this pre-work includes being clear
about what they are NOT doing as well)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Like any event, the quality of the
container matters. Paying attention to
the constraints and the attractors builds
a container where a real need is allowed
to produce real conversations which can
create real action and ultimately change.
If you don’t break people’s patterns and
expectations of a meeting or conference
beforehand, it’s unlikely they will come
prepared for transformation. And that is
the biggest predictor of “flat feeling”
OST events for me. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think your text tagged <HERESY>
below is actually <HYPOTHESIS> and
needs to be tested in some way. But the
test will apply to your practice, your
context and the particular events that you
are drawn or invited to. The practice of
working with clients in Open Space is
impossible to standardize. It is an
artisanal practice. There are a few basic
skills and talents one needs to have
developed in order to assure quality, but
nothing can take the place of experience
and the path of mastery that is individual
and practice based. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Chris</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Apr 26, 2015, at 11:30 AM,
Jeff Aitken via OSList <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div><span
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<span
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that is why I think OST is for
"development and transformation in
organizations" (that actual
subtitle of the SPIRIT book) and
that it is not at all as
effective, in terms of impact,
when implemented in a public
conference.<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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<span
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am guessing the scores for the 4
dimensions are almost always be
lower in a public vs. private
event.<span> </span></span><br
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<span
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that is my general subjective
observation, based on a small
sample of direct experience (less
than 20 experiences doing OST
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