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    Yo Harrison, <br>
    <br>
    Where are you lately hearing about 'scaling up' OST? <br>
    <br>
    I'm interested in knowing the origin of that. <br>
    <br>
    Daniel <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/15 12:12 PM, Harrison via
      OSList wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To
            add a bit... The 4 (actually 5) “preconditions” were simply
            what I, and others, had observed to be the situation. I
            can’t actually remember, but I think my original motivation
            was to question what seemed to be the conventional wisdom
            regarding what it took to have a good meeting. I think we
            all know the drill – there should be a clear agenda, closely
            ordered procedure, something close to absolute control, and
            the like. With thoughts like these in mind, Open Space was
            not only counterintuitive, but wrong, dangerous, and
            obviously heretical. What we were experiencing was
            definitely a horse of a different color. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And
            yes, Jeff, there is certainly no “requirement” that all
            conditions be at maximum red alert. That said, if none are
            present there would seem to be little reason have a meeting,
            let alone Open Space. After all who would want to waste the
            time when there was no business issue, everything was
            crystal clear, everyone thought exactly the same way, no
            passion or conflict, and the sense of urgency non-existent?
            Sounds like a non-starter to me. Then again it constantly
            amazes me that every day in organizations all over the world
            folks hold meetings just because you are supposed to. Is it
            any wonder that people are bored, disengaged, and cynical?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But
            actually what really got me excited was when I realized that
            my “5 Preconditions” almost exactly paralleled the essential
            preconditions for self organization as described by Stuart
            Kauffmann and others. That made a connection which produced
            my greatest learning in and about Open Space. It is all self
            organization. It is not a process we/I created, invented, or
            whatever. All we actually “do” is to invite people to
            remember what they have been doing for ever. Well at least
            for the last 13.7 billion years. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And
            just for a tag line .... to those who might be thinking
            about “scaling up” Open Space, I would suggest you save your
            energy. It’s already happened. It is all self organizing. It
            is all open space. Of course it is true that things get
            pretty sloppy and gooey when we set about organizing a self
            organizing system. Oh well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                OSList [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Jeff Aitken via OSList<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:31 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space
                Technology email list<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] OST: Public vs Private
                events: apples and oranges?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Daniel. When Harrison's four conditions
          came out way back when, I imagined them as a way to tell a
          client that even in the most challenging situation it's quite
          possible that Open Space will work very well. In other words,
          don't hesitate to consider it, even if you're afraid things
          are just too messy to try this strange new process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Having hosted and seen many great open
            spaces in which the scores were low, so to speak,  I never
            took seriously that these are absolute preconditions. To me
            they are a kind of inoculation against a prospective sponsor
            being afraid to make that phone call or send that email. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">With lots of appreciation for your good
            work<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Lagunitas, California<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <br>
          -------- Original message --------<br>
          From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <br>
          Date:04/26/2015 6:20 AM (GMT-08:00) <br>
          To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <br>
          Subject: [OSList] OST: Public vs Private events: apples and
          oranges? <br>
          <br>
          Greetings All,<br>
          <br>
          ...I notice these well-worn, well-understood set of starting
          conditions for great Open Space, on Wikipedia...hmm...<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><WIKIPEDIA><br>
          Hundreds of Open Space meetings have been documented.<sup
            id="cite_ref-4"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology#cite_note-4">[4]</a><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology#cite_note-5">[5]</a></sup>
          Harrison Owen explains that this approach works best when
          these conditions are present,<sup id="cite_ref-OST_3-1"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology#cite_note-OST-3">[3]</a></sup>
          namely high levels of<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1"><i>Complexity</i>, in terms of the tasks to be
            done or outcomes achieved;<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1"><i>Diversity</i>, in terms of the people
            involved and/or needed to make any solution work;<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1"><i>Conflict, real or potential</i>, meaning
            people really care about the central issue or purpose; and<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1"><i>Urgency</i>, meaning that the time to act
            was "yesterday".<o:p></o:p></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"></WIKIPEDIA><br>
          <br>
          <br>
          In an organization, we could work with formally authorized
          leaders to gauge the magnitude of each dimension. So for
          example we could gauge or rank the magnitude, with 1 being
          lowest and 10 being the highest magnitude for gauging each
          dimension. For a really nice opportunity to use Open Space, we
          might be looking for a combined score of, say, 32 or higher
          (out of a possible 40)<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          The Public Conference Event<br>
          <br>
          Now let's consider the PUBLIC conference event. What is the
          typical combined score in a public conference... for these 4
          elements? I am guessing the combined score is something like
          20 or lower for the typical conference event. Maybe 25 out of
          a perfect 40? The cohesion is just (generally speaking!) <i>so
            much lower</i> in a public vs org-based (private) event...<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <HERESY><br>
          And that is why I think OST is for "development and
          transformation in organizations" (that actual subtitle of the
          SPIRIT book) and that it is not at all as effective, in terms
          of impact, when implemented in a public conference. <br>
          </HERESY><br>
          <br>
          I am guessing the scores for the 4 dimensions are almost
          always be lower in a public vs. private event. <br>
          <br>
          Certainly that is my general subjective observation, based on
          a small sample of direct experience (less than 20 experiences
          doing OST inside corporations...)<br>
          <br>
          ...Yes: some exceptions do exist. As is almost always the
          case. Right? That said, I feel these exceptions prove the
          general rule... that private events have a much higher
          combined score, all else being equal.<br>
          <br>
          Ironically, the OST format was originally formulated to ease
          the effort required to arrange and execute public conference
          events. <br>
          <br>
          And then....<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          Daniel <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="p1">Daniel Mezick, President<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="p1">New Technology Solutions Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="p1">(203) 915 7248 (cell)<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="p2"><span class="s1"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/">Bio</a></span><span
              class="s2">. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/"><span class="s1">Blog</span></a>.
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          <p class="p3"><span class="s2">Examine my new book:</span><span
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              </span></span><span class="s2"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/"><span
                  class="s1">The Culture Game </span></a></span><span
              class="s1">: Tools for the Agile Manager</span><span
              class="s2">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="p1">Explore Agile Team <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/"><span
                class="s3">Training</span></a> and <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/"><span
                class="s3">Coaching.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="p1">Explore the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/"><span
                class="s3">Agile Boston </span></a>Community.<span
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      <p class="p2"><span class="s1"><a
            href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/">Bio</a></span><span
          class="s2">. <a href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/"><span
              class="s1">Blog</span></a>. <a
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      <p class="p3"><span class="s2">Examine my new book:<span
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              class="s1">The Culture Game </span></a></span><span
          class="s1">: Tools for the Agile Manager</span><span
          class="s2">.</span></p>
      <p class="p1">Explore Agile Team <a
          href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/"><span
            class="s3">Training</span></a> and <a
          href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/"><span
            class="s3">Coaching.</span></a></p>
      <p class="p1">Explore the <a
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