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<br><div><div>Am 14.12.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Peggy Holman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I have played with the term "active readers" rather than lurkers. Has a different tone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>The compulsive historian in me wants to mention that in November, 2009, a message called <i class="">Roll Call: Presen</i>t was sent by Erik Fabian (who contributed about 15 messages from June to November of that year.) He asked people just to respond with a “present”. While he used the term lurkers, he included in a larger framing (below).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">By his count, it brought 100+ responses, similar in tone to those responding now. Ironically, Erik’s reflections on the roll call (also below) was his last message to the list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">appreciatively,</div><div class="">Peggy</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ROLL CALL: PRESENT</div><div class=""><div class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Erik Fabian <<a href="mailto:erik@DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM" class="">erik@DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">I was intrigued by Phelim's observation that the OSLIST, not being a physical space, lacks the <br class="">information that comes from people sitting silent or choosing to leave.<br class=""><br class="">I invite the many folks, the lurkers, the newbies, the old hands, the folks with better things to do, <br class="">anyone really...to respond to this message with a "present" if you would like to be noted as attending <br class="">to this virtual space.<br class=""><br class="">I know it won't solve the exiting problem but it might perhaps give a sense of scale to the ratio of <br class="">talkers to the silent.<br class=""><br class="">Erik - present<br class=""><br class="">*</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">REFLECTING ON THE ROLL CALL</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Erik Fabian <<a href="mailto:erik@DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM" class="">erik@DOUBLEHAPPINESSNYC.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">1st thing: I don't mean to stop the Roll Call if folks would still like to chime in. Feel welcome.<br class=""><br class="">2nd: I was quite struck by the 100+ voices that have called present so far in the Roll Call. Your <br class="">responses reoriented my sense of scale on this list and created a fascinating moment where I <br class="">didn't know what was going to happen next...I felt like I watching a filibuster or something. <br class=""><br class="">I was also struck by the sense of willingness to continue to be present in this OSLIST conversation <br class="">despite disagreements, other options, shyness, busy lives, etc. That felt like some kind of bedrock <br class="">to me.<br class=""><br class="">The momentum has slowed and the thread has mixed back into the stream of multiple <br class="">conversations on the list. I have also started to hear some reflection from Michael (here: <br class=""><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ygupaax" class="">http://tinyurl.com/ygupaax</a>) & Harold (here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ykx3scs" class="">http://tinyurl.com/ykx3scs</a>) and so it seems <br class="">appropriate to put out a broader invitation to reflect on the Roll Call.<br class=""><br class="">I suppose I should say, I viewed the Roll Call responses in the context of a couple weeks of debate <br class="">about OS, where the online OS community should find its home, differing values around online <br class="">communication styles, and thoughts about OS and change.<br class=""><br class="">Peggy asked an interesting question recently: How do the Open Space principles help us both <br class="">support and resist change and what does that mean for the evolution of OST and opening space? <br class="">(<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzg8nh9" class="">http://tinyurl.com/yzg8nh9</a>)<br class=""><br class="">So I invite anyone, anyone who was present or silently sat aside, who would like to reflect on the <br class="">Roll Call to feel welcome to do so, and to perhaps consider the Roll Call in the light of recent <br class="">debates on this list or Peggy's question about change and the future of OS.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Erik<br class=""><br class="">*<br class=""></div></blockquote><div class="">*</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:23 AM, openspacedk1 via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Hello all,<br class=""><br class="">Given we are a community working with open space,<br class=""><br class="">therefore able or learning to be absolutely present<br class="">and absolutely invisible<br class=""><br class="">isn't what we see the only thing that could happen ?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Greetings Gerard, Denmark<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">ichael Herman via OSList skrev den 2014-12-11 17:08:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Perhaps a bit of conflict in the definition, as it seems to say that<br class="">listening isn't active participation.<br class="">My working definition for leadership, in any field, is practice made<br class="">visible. Maybe visible is useful in place of active.<br class="">Yes, this suggests a distinction between lurkers and leaders, but it<br class="">also allows for the definition of leader and our leadership ranks here<br class="">to expand.<br class="">I have been very visible here in the past but less so in recent years.<br class="">Reading most everything, but not so visible.<br class="">I think every single posting leads some us somewhere, even if those<br class="">places aren't so obvious.<br class="">Enjoying seeing so many familiar names mixed in with new ones.<br class="">Michael<br class="">On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Daniel Mezick via OSList<br class=""><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">In the game, as described, the definition of [lurker] is clear:<br class="">"...someone who examines these OSLIST threads periodically but does<br class="">not actively participate."<br class="">The definition is purposefully loose, so anyone can self-identify<br class="">with it, and optionally play the game.<br class="">Daniel<br class="">On 12/11/14 9:32 AM, Carmela Ariza via OSList wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Dear all,<br class="">It is very interesting - that asking who are lurkers - encouraged<br class="">the lurkers to come out and write a few sentences...<br class="">I am curious - how do we really define LURKERS?<br class="">Would love to listen to your thoughts on this....<br class="">Carms<br class="">True happiness is a state of mind.<br class="">Happiness is not a consequence of things that happen.<br class="">Do not pursue happiness - practice it.<br class="">Sing, even if you do not sound good.<br class="">Smile, even when things go wrong.<br class="">Create happiness, and happy you will be.<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">OSList mailing list<br class="">To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class="">To unsubscribe send an email to<br class=""><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class="">To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br class=""></blockquote><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" class="">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">[1]<br class=""></blockquote>--<br class="">Daniel Mezick, President<br class="">New Technology Solutions Inc.<br class="">(203) 915 7248 (cell)<br class="">Bio [2]. 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