<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24414">Michael, <br></div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24425" dir="ltr">You sir are truly a give of God. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24424" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24423" dir="ltr">We all are in your debt.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24415" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24416" dir="ltr">Elwin Guild<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24417"><span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24422" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24421" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24420" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24419" size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Herman via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010@gmail.com>; World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24428" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4420347203"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24427">I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise state univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming platform called egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In my memory, must be the biggest and most energized conversation we ever had on this list. In the end, it was rejected. And where is egroups today?<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418525272523_24426"><br clear="none"></div><div>At <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://openspaceworld.org/">openspaceworld.org</a>, since 1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki, wordpress group blog, but the I think the best thing we did was that I wrote some "about OST" stuff and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in languages other than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, others did their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links to intro material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned, but supported by just keeping the site online. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning community, the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and groups and meet ups of various shapes and frequencies. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another thing to keep it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build anything and expect it to both replace an established community center and also grow past it, succeeding where every past effort has not. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to replace anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And that is an approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do something, try something, offer something and see what happens. It might displace everything or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the offering, I think, that keep us going. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I'm glad to offer sub domain space at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://openspaceworld.org/">openspaceworld.org</a> for anything that wants building and trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I'm also getting ready to cleanup at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://openspaceworld.org/">openspaceworld.org</a>, so anyone who wants to help think and do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service companies like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie all the other things together, as long as we also find a way to maintain past contributions. </div><div><br clear="none"></div>I always keep looking for ways for <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://openspaceworld.org/">openspaceworld.org</a> to virtually disappear, into just a set of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the site was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest and demonstrate that os is much bigger than any of these platforms. <div><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Michael</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv4420347203yqt5180368666" id="yiv4420347203yqt49970"><div><span></span><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv4420347203gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div>Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community through education and the arts</div><div><br clear="none">On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via OSList <<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div class="yiv4420347203MsoNormal"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4420347203MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4420347203MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">And what if
we set a team to design, develop, deliver and maintain our new wonderful OSTLIST web platform,
which will be up to the requirements to replace this OSLIST?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4420347203MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">This team
could work on an Agile way. <u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4420347203MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">I’ll be
happy to contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll be there to do it together
with those who wish to do it also. <u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4420347203MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">;)</span></div>
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