<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Thanks Anne</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Language is tricky.  I don't think it is ever possible to say "we should use this word because it is familiar" and "we should not use this one because it is not".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">For example, I think a lot of words are acceptable because they have 'common sense' interpretations, but their meanings are pretty ambiguous when we are talking about research and digging deep into something. 'Cocreation' is one of those, it is easy to "fake it till we make it".  To be honest, 'self organisation' is also one of those!  They are combinations of simple words or prefixes, but that does not mean they are simple concept... they are both very contestable!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">I try to be pragmatic - as I will with any research I do.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">'Stigmergy' is the kind of word I would like to keep, and encourage, because I know personally that it is an extremely useful concept... it has helped me look anew at collaboration, and how things like Open Space work.  (Daniel's story demonstrates this kind of value too I think.) Simply by knowing the concept, and having a word to describe patterns (that previously were invisible).  And the best way to spread such concepts... is just to use the word!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Yes people are put off if we use too many unfamiliar words, especially if they are unnecessary.  (Business and government speak, I am looking at you!)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">So it is a balancing act...  or perhaps it is a dance... and either way, it is best negotiated through dialogue!  #allcontributionswelcome</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">So, thanks again</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><font color="#663300" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"><b><i>John Baxter</i></b></font></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small;font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><i>Cocreation Consultant & ​Co​Create Adelaide Facilitator</i></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small;font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><font color="#444444" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">0405 447 829</font><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);display:inline"><font color="#444444" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">​ | ​</font></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">@</span><a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif" target="_blank">jsbaxter_</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><i>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about <b>City Grill</b>!</i></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><i>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></i></div></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Anne Stadler via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div>Re studying self-organization<br>Thanks all. </div><div><br></div><div>Yes HO all IS self-organization.</div><div>However i'm not interested in just any kind of self organization.  OST or Opening space is oriented to facilitating self authorization; ease of emergence; rapid achievement of flow state and high degree of coherence.  That's my experience gained in a seven year experiment in using OST to evolve an Open Space Learning Community of Practice (Spirited Work).  </div><div><br></div><div>So one thing that pops out for me if one were to research this, maybe one needs to track a few things:</div><div>1.  Level of self authorization?</div><div>2.  Ease of initiating </div><div>3.  Ease of emergence </div><div>4.  Level of group flow state?</div><div>5.  Level of group coherence?</div><div><br></div><div>Another observation: re using "well-established words".  As an example you gave us "stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that "well-established"?  Except in certain academic fields?  I am a "first follower" Open Spacer (that is literally true! Since 1989).  I have no idea what you're talking about, i'm sorry to say.  So If you're also interested in influencing and involving users of OST, I would encourage no professional jargon, if possible. It renders the enterprise meaningless to an person for whom OST taps into natural human patterns and ways of collaboration. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this conversation you all!</div><div><br></div><div>Anne</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><span>Your Self</span></div><div>Occupy</div><div>100%</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>A world that works for ALL is a world of love made visible</div><div><br></div><div>Phone: <a href="tel:206-459-0227" value="+12064590227" target="_blank">206-459-0227</a></div><div>Skype: anne.m.stadler</div><div> <span style="font-size:13pt"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:13pt"><a href="http://Www.CompassionateSeattlehome.org" target="_blank">Www.CompassionateSeattlehome.org</a>  </span></div><div><a href="http://www.CharterforCompassion.org" target="_blank">www.CharterforCompassion.org</a></div><div><a href="http://www.ProtecttheSacred.org" target="_blank">www.ProtecttheSacred.org</a></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:10 PM, via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Send OSList mailing list submissions to</span><br><span>    <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br><span>    <a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br><span>    <a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br><span>    <a href="mailto:oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br><span>than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Today's Topics:</span><br><span></span><br><span>   1. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (John Baxter via OSList)</span><br><span>   2. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (John Baxter via OSList)</span><br><span>   3. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (John Baxter via OSList)</span><br><span>   4. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (Harrison Owen via OSList)</span><br><span>   5. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (Julie Smith via OSList)</span><br><span>   6. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (Artur Silva via OSList)</span><br><span>   7. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (Artur Silva via OSList)</span><br><span>   8. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span>      (Harrison Owen via OSList)</span><br><span>   9. Dec 9 - Membership Open Space for OSI-US</span><br><span>      (Open Space Institute U.S. via OSList)</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 1</span><br><span>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:18:46 +1030</span><br><span>From: John Baxter via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Daniel Mezick <<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net" target="_blank">dan@newtechusa.net</a>>,     World wide Open Space</span><br><span>    Technology email list    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self</span><br><span>    organisation'</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:CAJpg6=Qi4djAYQ7TZDNNRn8wY6wqo1COu04JTtpQsRxH_jDFfw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAJpg6=Qi4djAYQ7TZDNNRn8wY6wqo1COu04JTtpQsRxH_jDFfw@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Great idea Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span>Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne</span><br><span>- did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works</span><br><span>now), but I know there is much more there.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across</span><br><span>so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and</span><br><span>the like...</span><br><span></span><br><span>Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind</span><br><span>of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I've now saved those links to my reference list : )</span><br><span></span><br><span>If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems</span><br><span>from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>*John Baxter*</span><br><span>*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*</span><br><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br><span>0405 447 829</span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>*Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City</span><br><span>Grill!*</span><br><span>*Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span><<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>>*</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <</span><br><span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span> There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussion.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Example: stigmergy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Stigmergy* is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>different agent.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>More details</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Daniel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>'practice'.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>hemisphere!).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also unanswered Qs</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>wave rider:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> ?Thank you for contributing to the quest!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *John Baxter*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>0405 447 829</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>? | ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>City Grill ? ? !*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http: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>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:41:01 +1030</span><br><span>From: John Baxter via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Patricia Haines <<a href="mailto:levelgreen2010@gmail.com" target="_blank">levelgreen2010@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self</span><br><span>    organisation'</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:CAJpg6=SkDEHW8jqVUiLb40gQhL1H5hOQJJDBH3nt1+JtfKuEgQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAJpg6=SkDEHW8jqVUiLb40gQhL1H5hOQJJDBH3nt1+JtfKuEgQ@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks for the steer Patricia, I will look into self advocacy.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I hope I can produce something by the end of summer that would be very</span><br><span>useful for challenges like yours with org management!  (And mean me not</span><br><span>writing this all out by hand)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Some of the loose ends I have collected so far that might be relevant</span><br><span>(though they might also be rabbit holes)...</span><br><span></span><br><span>Some of the general concepts:</span><br><span>- 'agile' management... in fact there is agile or lean *everything* these</span><br><span>days... and Kaizen</span><br><span><<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Kaizen-Culture-Organization-Breakthrough/dp/0071826858/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385383786&sr=8-1&keywords=jon+miller+kaizen" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Kaizen-Culture-Organization-Breakthrough/dp/0071826858/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385383786&sr=8-1&keywords=jon+miller+kaizen</a>>,</span><br><span>and other concepts from software and manufacturing</span><br><span>- 'adaptive' leadership, management and everything else</span><br><span>- generative organisation</span><br><span><<a href="http://authenticorganizations.com/harquail/2013/12/11/whats-a-generative-organization/#comment-56686" target="_blank">http://authenticorganizations.com/harquail/2013/12/11/whats-a-generative-organization/#comment-56686</a>></span><br><span>(and</span><br><span>thriveability)</span><br><span></span><br><span>More specific models:</span><br><span>- Holocracy governance model (TEDx video of main concept</span><br><span><<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR-8AOccyj4&feature=youtube_gdata_player" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR-8AOccyj4&feature=youtube_gdata_player</a>>,</span><br><span>solid review in context of governance practices</span><br><span><<a href="http://enterprise20blog.com/2014/01/09/holacracy-logical-step-evolution-organization/" target="_blank">http://enterprise20blog.com/2014/01/09/holacracy-logical-step-evolution-organization/</a>></span><br><span>)</span><br><span>- Swarmwise</span><br><span><<a href="http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/" target="_blank">http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/</a>>,</span><br><span>tactical manual for operating a Pirate Party (as per Sweden)</span><br><span>- Collective Impact</span><br><span><<a href="http://go.delicious.com/?id=63408X1518852&xs=1&url=http://vibrantcanada.ca/content/making-collective-impact-work&sref=https://delicious.com/jsbaxter/search/collective" target="_blank">http://go.delicious.com/?id=63408X1518852&xs=1&url=http://vibrantcanada.ca/content/making-collective-impact-work&sref=https://delicious.com/jsbaxter/search/collective</a>></span><br><span>(it's not specifically for organisations, but yes it is a model for</span><br><span>governance-without-control, this has lots of good articles</span><br><span><<a href="http://collectiveimpactaustralia.com/" target="_blank">http://collectiveimpactaustralia.com/</a>>)</span><br><span></span><br><span>And relevant for 'how to be a manager'</span><br><span>- Harrison's *Wave Rider* (obviously)</span><br><span>- Peter Block's *Stewardship*</span><br><span></span><br><span>Interested to hear what references and ideas you find most useful Patricia.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>*John Baxter*</span><br><span>*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*</span><br><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br><span>0405 447 829</span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>*Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City</span><br><span>Grill!*</span><br><span>*Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span><<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>>*</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Patricia Haines <<a href="mailto:levelgreen2010@gmail.com" target="_blank">levelgreen2010@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I like this idea. There's an important movement among and for adults with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>developmental disabilities called "self advocacy". This is self-organizing</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>on individual, group and organizational levels.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm also interested in how OS and self-organization can play out in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>non-profit management. I'm reorganizing the Level Green Board, want to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>operate on OS principles. Any thoughts along such lines?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Patricia Gooding (aka Haines)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community through</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>education and the arts, in the democratic spirit of the Grundtvigian Folk</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>School</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>'practice'.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is less</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also unanswered Qs</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>wave rider:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>?Thank you for contributing to the quest!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*John Baxter*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>0405 447 829</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>? | ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Grill??!*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>>*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> _______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/ce7195ff/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/ce7195ff/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 3</span><br><span>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:50:02 +1030</span><br><span>From: John Baxter via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: K?ri Gunnarsson <<a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is" target="_blank">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a>></span><br><span>Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self</span><br><span>    organisation'</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:CAJpg6=T6wcknC8owugSiQjTHvLfWN_FQTO9CbpB9rp5PLV_m3Q@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAJpg6=T6wcknC8owugSiQjTHvLfWN_FQTO9CbpB9rp5PLV_m3Q@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi Kari</span><br><span></span><br><span>We might be thinking more in parallel than aligned.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I very much doubt I will submit anything to an academic journal... I can't</span><br><span>imagine many processes less pleasant!  Though I could find parts to spin</span><br><span>off into trade journals and the like.</span><br><span></span><br><span>But if others are already researching in an aligned field (are you</span><br><span>yourself?) I would be very happy to partner or pass on anything I produce</span><br><span>for publication.  Could you imagine a situation like that?</span><br><span></span><br><span>In the context of the rigours and process of academic research, my own</span><br><span>thoughts are closer to a literature review than a genuine research question.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>*John Baxter*</span><br><span>*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*</span><br><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br><span>0405 447 829</span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>*Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City</span><br><span>Grill!*</span><br><span>*Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span><<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>>*</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:25 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson <<a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is" target="_blank">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a>></span><br><span>wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi John</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As an academic researcher I say ... yes, this needs to become, ... I like</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to see theorizing and testing, and more papers in academic journals for me</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to site.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If we take the hypothesis from Owen that there is always self-organization</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>at work, now in what conditions is this self-organization not functioning</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>well.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would argue that we can find cultural elements that are toxic to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>self-organization, site lining it, driving it away from open discourse.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>When is such toxic environment the only solution, even if it dose not work</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>seems to be to get ride of the people dealing behind the curtains and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>enforcing a strict and over-bloated management scheme to squeezes the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>profit out of the people.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>An example from ecology.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Like lets say I grow round up resistant GMO feed grass, and I plant out</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the GMO seeds and put the chemical fertilizers and the roundup to kill of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>anything else. I have created a toxic environment but there is this one</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>homogenous thing that can survive it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Now lets say my brother is not as addicted to proprietary DNA crops and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>has chosen to select many plant to grow in harmony where they feed off each</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>other and reads all these aquaculture journals. He saves a ton in crop</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>interventions and is more resilient to weather changes and pest attacks,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>loosing only 5% or perhaps 10% in a bad incident, while my toxic homogenous</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>growing is devastated while I am ruined.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ok... fun example.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If we can identify the cultural elements that makes the space hostile,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that is not-safe or simply closed, then we can offer the middle managers a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>tool to measure there cultural aspect of there organizational health,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>innovation, learning and efficiency. Then we can propose an intervention</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(in the form of an open space), on how to move the organization from</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>unhealthy culture to a healthy one where we marginalize the violence of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>silencing and where we keep the space save for us humans to grow and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>prosper. As this is needed for all leading organizational cultures.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>so for the questions...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To find what one needs to know to do self-organization, I would argue that</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>one needs to understand how to make the space safe and how to invite</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>participation for a bodily real theme. This is a sponsors job, but he</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sometimes needs a teacher to help him know the difference. Basically the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>precondition and the how to stuff we preach as open spacers every day.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To find out what one needs to know in order to be an expert in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>self-organization, I would argue that one needs to understand many of the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>different ways one can throw a spanner in the works and be able to identify</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>when it is the cultural norm of the management and/or owners to do so, and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>also for what reasons this is done. This is interesting for me as I would</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>love to grow in understanding on when things are wrong in the culture but</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>tolerated for the cases I work with. It could bring out new themes to open</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>space on, and to energize people to open it everywhere where the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>preconditions are present. I think a little research will help us do just</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>/ K?ri</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 27 November 2014 at 01:25, John Baxter via OSList <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>'practice'.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is less</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also unanswered Qs</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wave rider:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>?Thank you for contributing to the quest!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*John Baxter*</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>0405 447 829</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>? | ?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>City Grill??!*</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>>*</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>K?ri Gunnarsson mark?j?lfi</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is" target="_blank">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/heimsmynd" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/heimsmynd</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="tel:%28%2B354%29%20864%205189" value="+3548645189" target="_blank">(+354) 864 5189</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/3c2b781c/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/3c2b781c/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 4</span><br><span>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:46:50 -0500</span><br><span>From: Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: "'John Baxter'" <<a href="mailto:john@jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">john@jsbaxter.com.au</a>>,    "'World wide Open Space</span><br><span>    Technology email list'"    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self</span><br><span>    organisation'</span><br><span>Message-ID: <000001d00beb$b1aa9130$14ffb390$@net></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,?  James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Harrison</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Winter Address</span><br><span></span><br><span>7808 River Falls Drive</span><br><span></span><br><span>Potomac, MD 20854</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="tel:301-365-2093" value="+13013652093" target="_blank">301-365-2093</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Summer Address</span><br><span></span><br><span>189 Beaucaire Ave.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Camden, ME 04843</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="tel:207-763-3261" value="+12077633261" target="_blank">207-763-3261</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Websites</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>From: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Baxter via OSList</span><br><span>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM</span><br><span>To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Great idea Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like...</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I've now saved those links to my reference list : )</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>John Baxter</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator</span><br><span></span><br><span> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> <a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>0405 447 829</span><br><span></span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>@ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>> jsbaxter_</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span>There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Example: stigmergy</span><br><span><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a></span><br><span>Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.</span><br><span></span><br><span>More details</span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><br><span></span><br><span>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><br><span></span><br><span>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>?Thank you for contributing to the quest!</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>John Baxter</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator</span><br><span></span><br><span> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> <a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>0405 447 829 </span><br><span></span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill </span><br><span></span><br><span>? ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel Mezick, President</span><br><span></span><br><span>New Technology Solutions Inc.</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="tel:%28203%29%20915%207248" value="+12039157248" target="_blank">(203) 915 7248</a> <tel:%28203%29%20915%207248>  (cell)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Bio <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/</a>> . Blog <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/blog/</a>> . Twitter <<a href="http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/</a>> . </span><br><span></span><br><span>Examine my new book:  The Culture Game  <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/</a>> : Tools for the Agile Manager.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Explore Agile Team Training <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/</a>>  and Coaching. <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span>Explore the Agile Boston  <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/</a>> Community. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/8660162a/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/8660162a/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 5</span><br><span>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:17:52 -0900</span><br><span>From: Julie Smith via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>,    World wide Open Space</span><br><span>    Technology email list    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self</span><br><span>    organisation'</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5480558D-A108-45C6-919E-0F6419D9BC93@mosquitonet.com" target="_blank">5480558D-A108-45C6-919E-0F6419D9BC93@mosquitonet.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Dear all ~</span><br><span></span><br><span>In Not-Two Is Peace Adi Da sometimes lists self-organizing with self-rightening and self-correcting in a way that infers these are complementary concepts.  I wonder if in some ways these terms are interchangeable.  I?m thinking about this question because I recently noticed this statement about the relationship between systems and self-correction:</span><br><span></span><br><span>?Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore.  It is just careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels.  It is inevitable that it is going to self-destruct.?</span><br><span></span><br><span>The context for this comment is an essay on rightening the current global instability, but perhaps there is something in the essay that may move the more general conversation about self-organization forward.  This is a brief essay, so I?ll share it in its entirety here for anyone who might be interested:</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Establishing Rules of Participation For A Global Cooperative Order</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.1  Presently, the international community has no effective way of dealing with geopolitical issues, because it is fundamentally about ?tribes? in competition with one another.  There is no force that embodies everybody and that, therefore, can effectively deal with the system as a whole.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.2  Bits of the system are always confronting one another.  Therefore, those who hold out or want to ?play it hard? wind up controlling the whole system.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.3  In general, the so-called ?big powers? are bypassing rules and playing for dominance.  But everybody is playing their part in the ?tribal? struggle-game, which is not in the interest of humankind, and it is not survivable.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.4  Rules and accountability are essential for any system.  Any notion that you can bypass such accountability is a lie in the name of serving some kind of ?self?-interest.  And this disposition is creating every crisis.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.5  Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore.  It is just careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels.  It is inevitable that it is going to self-destruct.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.6  Therefore, the international power-struggles have to be replaced by a systems-based order with rules and limits established.  It is only when the system can represent itself as a totality and keep its rules in front of everyone that the system can correct itself.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.7  A rational and positive global situation requires rules for participation, based on global interdependence and prior unity?rather than being based on nation-states or other groups engaging in reactive measures in the face of being provoked or (otherwise) acting aggressively to extend their influence.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.8  The process for dealing with global realities should not be merely punitive.  Rules for participation should be established?and then doors would be either opened or closed, based on whether any given nation-state or other entity abides by those rules.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.9  Participation should be the one thing everybody values?not competition, not dominance and victory over all, but participation in a global system that allows every nation-state, every human domain, to survive and enjoy essential well-being and the growth potential and benefits of participation in the whole.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.10  The rules of participation in the global community should not be arbitrary, or set up to favor certain parties over others.  The rules of participation should establish positive and equal participation for everyone, with no double standards that require some to obey the rules while others do not.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.11  The Global Cooperative Forum is the system of everybody-all-at-once reasserting itself and establishing rules of participation that put all matters of global business equitably on the table?including matters of severe chronic conflict, competition for resources, degradation of the environment and disruption of weather-patterns, poverty, disease, and so forth.</span><br><span></span><br><span>6.12  Right rules of participation will establish an entirely different principle than nation-state competitiveness.  It will allow humankind as a whole to become a functioning system?a system to which all parties get access by fulfilling certain obligations and responsibilities, which apply everywhere.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The full text of Not-Two Is Peace is available through bookstores, via Kindle download, or at <a href="http://www.da-peace.org" target="_blank">http://www.da-peace.org</a> <<a href="http://www.da-peace.org/" target="_blank">http://www.da-peace.org/</a>>.</span><br><span></span><br><span>All best wishes ~</span><br><span></span><br><span>Julie</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,?  James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harrison</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Winter Address</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>7808 River Falls Drive</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Potomac, MD 20854</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="tel:301-365-2093" value="+13013652093" target="_blank">301-365-2093</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Summer Address</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>189 Beaucaire Ave.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Camden, ME 04843</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="tel:207-763-3261" value="+12077633261" target="_blank">207-763-3261</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Websites</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a> <x-msg://2/%<a href="http://20www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">20www.openspaceworld.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a> <x-msg://2/<a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a> <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Baxter via OSList</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Great idea Daniel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've now saved those links to my reference list : )</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>John Baxter</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a> <<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>0405 447 829</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>? | ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a> <<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Example: stigmergy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a> <<a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>More details</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a> <<a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a> <<a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a> <<a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a> <<a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Daniel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>?Thank you for contributing to the quest!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>John Baxter</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a> <<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>0405 447 829</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>? | ?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>? ?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a> <<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></bloc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span.yiv2489568878HTMLPreformatte</span><br><span> dChar {font-family:Consolas;}#yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878EmailStyle20 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2489568878 .yiv2489568878MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2489568878 div.yiv2489568878WordSection1 {}#yiv2489568878 John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? ?James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands.  ?Harrison ?Winter Address7808 River Falls DrivePotomac, MD 20854301-365-2093 ?Summer Address189 Beaucaire Ave.Camden, ME 04843207-763-3261 ?Websites <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST</a> To subscri</span><br><span> be, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a> ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>From: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Baxter via OSList</span><br><span>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM</span><br><span>To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' ?Great idea Daniel ?Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there. ?The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like... ?Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. ?I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) ?If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. ?Cheers</span><br><span> ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide <a href="http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au</a>?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a> ? ?On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Example: stigmergy</span><br><span><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a></span><br><span>Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.</span><br><span></span><br><span>More details</span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:</span><br><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation ?Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. ?I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). ?I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.? There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...).? There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is?(indeed, if it is anything at all). ?It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. ?Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? ?Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider: ?What (if anything) do you think deserves t</span><br><span> o be done?Who should be involved in doing it? ??Thank you for contributing to the quest! ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide <a href="http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au</a>?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 ? | ?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill ? ?!Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a> ? ?_______________________________________________OSList mailing listTo post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo</a> unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.orgTo" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.orgTo</a> subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span> ?-- Daniel Mezick, PresidentNew Technology Solutions Inc.<a href="tel:%28203%29%20915%207248" value="+12039157248" target="_blank">(203) 915 7248</a> (cell)Bio. Blog. Twitter.?Examine my new book:? The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.Explore the Agile Boston Community.?</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a> ?</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/f039bf84/attachment-0002.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/f039bf84/attachment-0002.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 7</span><br><span>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:32:17 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><span>From: Artur Silva via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>, 'John Baxter'</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:john@jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">john@jsbaxter.com.au</a>>,     'World wide Open Space Technology email list'</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>,     World wide Open Space Technology</span><br><span>    email list    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self</span><br><span>    organisation'</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:736524569.2558038.1417285937367.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10635.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" target="_blank">736524569.2558038.1417285937367.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10635.mail.bf1.yahoo.com</a>></span><br><span>    </span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi people out there,</span><br><span>I wouldalso recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and Stengers and, also fromthe same authors: " "The New Alliance: Metamorphosis of Science". (Idon't know if there is an English translation: as I only find it in French,Spanish and Italian...). They are both written by a Physicist and an Anthropologist,but are written for the lay person.?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>?</span><br><span>And,yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann ?is a must,even if more complex.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>?</span><br><span>I have manydoubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not even a single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the entire book. Itis like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" withoutreferring Darwin... ?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>?</span><br><span>Regards</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>?</span><br><span>Artur</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>      From: Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span> To: 'John Baxter' <<a href="mailto:john@jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">john@jsbaxter.com.au</a>>; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> </span><br><span> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM</span><br><span> Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span></span><br><span>#yiv2489568878 #yiv2489568878 -- _filtered #yiv2489568878 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {panose-1:2 11 6 3 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Consolas;panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv2489568878 #yiv2489568878 p.yiv2489568878MsoNormal, #yiv2489568878 li.yiv2489568878MsoNormal, #yiv2489568878 div.yiv2489568878MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 a:link, #yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2489568878 a:visited, #yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2489568878 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 pre {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878HTMLPreformatte</span><br><span> dChar {font-family:Consolas;}#yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878EmailStyle20 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2489568878 .yiv2489568878MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2489568878 div.yiv2489568878WordSection1 {}#yiv2489568878 John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? ?James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands.  ?Harrison ?Winter Address7808 River Falls DrivePotomac, MD 20854301-365-2093 ?Summer Address189 Beaucaire Ave.Camden, ME 04843207-763-3261 ?Websites <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST</a> To subscri</span><br><span> be, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a> ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>From: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Baxter via OSList</span><br><span>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM</span><br><span>To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' ?Great idea Daniel ?Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there. ?The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like... ?Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. ?I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) ?If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. ?Cheers</span><br><span> ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide <a href="http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au</a>?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a> ? ?On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Example: stigmergy</span><br><span><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a></span><br><span>Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.</span><br><span></span><br><span>More details</span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:</span><br><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation ?Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. ?I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). ?I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.? There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...).? There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is?(indeed, if it is anything at all). ?It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. ?Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? ?Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider: ?What (if anything) do you think deserves t</span><br><span> o be done?Who should be involved in doing it? ??Thank you for contributing to the quest! ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide <a href="http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au</a>?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 ? | ?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill ? ?!Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a> ? ?_______________________________________________OSList mailing listTo post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo</a> unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.orgTo" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.orgTo</a> subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span> ?-- Daniel Mezick, PresidentNew Technology Solutions Inc.<a href="tel:%28203%29%20915%207248" value="+12039157248" target="_blank">(203) 915 7248</a> (cell)Bio. Blog. Twitter.?Examine my new book:? The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.Explore the Agile Boston Community.?</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList maili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w if there is an English translation: as I only find it in French, Spanish and Italian...). They are both written by a Physicist and an Anthropologist, but are written for the lay person. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>And, yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann  is a must, even if more complex.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I have many doubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not even a single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the entire book. It is like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" without referring Darwin...  </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Regards</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Artur</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>  _____  </span><br><span></span><br><span>From: Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: 'John Baxter' <<a href="mailto:john@jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">john@jsbaxter.com.au</a>>; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> </span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,?  James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Harrison</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Winter Address</span><br><span></span><br><span>7808 River Falls Drive</span><br><span></span><br><span>Potomac, MD 20854</span><br><span></span><br><span>301-365-2093</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Summer Address</span><br><span></span><br><span>189 Beaucaire Ave.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Camden, ME 04843</span><br><span></span><br><span>207-763-3261</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Websites</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>From: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Baxter via OSList</span><br><span>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM</span><br><span>To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Great idea Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like...</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I've now saved those links to my reference list : )</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>John Baxter</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator</span><br><span></span><br><span> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> <a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a> <<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span>0405 447 829</span><br><span></span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span>There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Example: stigmergy</span><br><span><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a></span><br><span>Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.</span><br><span></span><br><span>More details</span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><br><span></span><br><span>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><br><span></span><br><span>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>?Thank you for contributing to the quest!</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>John Baxter</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator</span><br><span></span><br><span> <<a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/</a>> <a href="http://jsbaxter.com.au" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a> <<a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank">http://cocreateadl.com/</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span>0405 447 829 </span><br><span></span><br><span>? | ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>@jsbaxter_ <<a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill </span><br><span></span><br><span>? ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span></span><br><span>Daniel Mezick, President</span><br><span></span><br><span>New Technology Solutions Inc.</span><br><span></span><br><span>(203) 915 7248 (cell)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Bio <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/</a>> . Blog <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/blog/</a>> . Twitter <<a href="http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/</a>> . </span><br><span></span><br><span>Examine my new book:  The Culture Game  <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/</a>> : Tools for the Agile Manager.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Explore Agile Team Training <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/</a>>  and Coaching. <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/</a>> </span><br><span></span><br><span>Explore the Agile Boston  <<a href="http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/</a>> Community. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/31a6f2d3/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/31a6f2d3/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 9</span><br><span>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:21:18 -0700</span><br><span>From: "Open Space Institute U.S. via OSList"</span><br><span>    <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.opens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