<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">... you could look at it that way Daniel.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">The 'indirect' bit is key. 'Indirect' means we are not directing messages to one another. The Collabforge group focus specifically on environmental manipulation and context-specific messaging. OSList is probably too grey to demonstrate the concept.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Maybe if it was a forum then it would be a better example?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Or perhaps, when I respond to you, it is a non-stigmergic message to you, but the 'incidental' engagement of others that promotes a response from them, that demonstrates stigmergy?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Some of the things that happen in our coworking space are more clear cut. Posting a message to the FB group about cleaning the fridge does not leverage stigmergy. Leaving a piece of tape with a message on people's food that "this will be thrown out on Wednesday!" demonstrates stigmergy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Unfortunately, this feels clouder now than when I started writing. Oh well. I am probably learning.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#444444">Cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><font color="#663300" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"><b><i>John Baxter</i></b></font></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small;font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><i>Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator</i></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small;font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a> | <a href="http://CoCreateADL.com" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><font color="#444444" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">0405 447 829</font><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);display:inline"><font color="#444444" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"> | </font></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">@</span><a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif" target="_blank">jsbaxter_</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><i>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about <b>City Grill</b>!</i></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><i>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></i></div></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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testing...<br>
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Question:<br>
Is not each post on <b>OSLIST</b> an example of the stigmergy
principle in action? <br>
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Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coordination" title="wikt:coordination" target="_blank">coordination</a> between (<b>OSLIST</b>)
agents. The principle is that the trace (an <b>OSLIST</b> post)
left in the environment by an action <i>stimulates the performance
of a next action</i>, by the same or a different (<b>OSLIST</b>)
agent."<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 11/30/14 1:01 PM, Harrison Owen via
OSList wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anne
– I did have to chuckle when you took Dan to the Woodshed. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">
His use of the word “stigmergy” set me back a bit too.
Particularly since I pride myself on my vocabulary, but that
one got me. I did fail the course. I could see the roots,
and guess the meaning, but it really was foreign territory.
And then I remembered Ants, and E O Wilson’s marvelous large
tome on the subject, “Superorganism.” I read it cover to
cover twice. Truthfully I learned more about ants than I
ever wanted to know – but along the way I found myself
entranced by the elegant power of self organization as it
manifest in some of our smaller neighbors. And if Ants can
do it, By God – we can too!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Winter
Address<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">7808
River Falls Drive<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Potomac,
MD 20854<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:301-365-2093" value="+13013652093" target="_blank">301-365-2093</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Summer
Address<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">189
Beaucaire Ave.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Camden,
ME 04843<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:207-763-3261" value="+12077633261" target="_blank">207-763-3261</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Websites<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://%20www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">
www.openspaceworld.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">OSLIST
</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">To
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Anne Stadler via OSList<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45,
Issue 25<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Re studying self-organization<br>
Thanks all. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes HO all IS self-organization.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">However i'm not interested in just
any kind of self organization. OST or Opening space is
oriented to facilitating self authorization; ease of
emergence; rapid achievement of flow state and high
degree of coherence. That's my experience gained in a
seven year experiment in using OST to evolve an Open
Space Learning Community of Practice (Spirited Work). <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">So one thing that pops out for me if
one were to research this, maybe one needs to track a
few things:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Level of self authorization?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Ease of initiating <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. Ease of emergence <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. Level of group flow state?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">5. Level of group coherence?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Another observation: re using
"well-established words". As an example you gave us
"stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that "well-established"?
Except in certain academic fields? I am a "first
follower" Open Spacer (that is literally true! Since
1989). I have no idea what you're talking about, i'm
sorry to say. So If you're also interested in
influencing and involving users of OST, I would
encourage no professional jargon, if possible. It
renders the enterprise meaningless to an person for whom
OST taps into natural human patterns and ways of
collaboration. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for this conversation you all!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anne<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Your
Self</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Occupy<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">100%<u></u><u></u></p>
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