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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Julie – I rather suspect that self organization covers a much larger territory than the more limited range of preferred outcomes we might choose. Gangs and Cancer would be cases in point. What you call a gang, I might call “brothers.” And were you to interview a cancer cell, I suspect it would report that it was doing just what it was supposed to. Both gangs and cancer are very much a part of what we call “Life,” even if that Life does not proceed exactly as we might wish it to. And it is all self organizing, I do believe. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Winter Address<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Summer Address<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, ME 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Websites<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="%20www.openspaceworld.com"> www.openspaceworld.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OSLIST </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Smith via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 01, 2014 2:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> John Baxter; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi John ~<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The more I’ve been thinking about the relationship between self-organizing with self-correcting and self-rightening, the more complex it all looks. Take cancer for example, or gangs. Are these both examples of self-organization? Self-organization that is destructive (not self-correcting or self-rightening) rather than constructive? So maybe self-organizing is not inherently good, but is only good if done in a way that is self-rightening and self-correcting?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>As for Adi Da’s use of the term “system”, note that he talks about bits of the system in 6.2 and then references the system as a totality in 6.6. This essay is about the bits interfering with the totality. Exactly like cancer, or gangs. This fragmentation of bits in opposition to the totality is a key aspect of what there is to understand. In another part of the book, Adi Da says “fragmentation leaves people open to being controlled and manipulated…. fragmentation is what power-seekers exploit….” <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The totality of humankind has not yet recognized itself (ourselves) as a single system. We, everybody-all-at-once, do not yet see ourselves as a single totality, a single system. Because we are not acting as a single system, we have not yet identified the rules and accountability that would enable our continued co-existence. <i>Not-Two <u>Is</u> Peace</i> was written to help us see humanity as a single system that has the power and the responsibility to act for the common good. If we don’t participate in this expanding awareness and responsibility, we will continue careening downhill with a stave in the wheels, headed toward destruction. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My comments are my best understanding in this moment, but they fall far short of the teaching in <i>Not-Two <u>Is</u> Peace,</i> which is profound. I typed in just that one brief essay. The book contains a great deal more.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Julie<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 30, 2014, at 9:16 PM, John Baxter <<a href="mailto:john@jsbaxter.com.au">john@jsbaxter.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Hi Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>An interesting and very engaging essay. I could imagine a substantial discussion from ruminating on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>I am inclined to analytically 'umbrella' self righting and self correcting as examples of self organisation... but I would be pleased for this to prove simplistic. They both look like 'self organisation towards a particular end' (righting / correcting).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>I have some reservation with the quote you pull out... the message is solid, but it confuses 'the system'... 'the system' cannot be bypassed, as it encompasses every effort to bypass it... by intersecting with the system, an intervention becomes part of it. What is bypassed is the <i>formal</i> system, the rules and structures.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Still the messages are solid and that's going straight into the bookmarks re consideration of global self organisation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#663300'>John Baxter</span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Cocreation Consultant & </span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Co</span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Create Adela</span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>ide Facilitator</span></i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>jsbaxter.com.au</span></a> | <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'>0405 447 829</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> | </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>@</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1155CC'>jsbaxter_</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about <b>City Grill</b>!</span></i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span></i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Julie Smith <<a href="mailto:jsmith@mosquitonet.com" target="_blank">jsmith@mosquitonet.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all ~<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In <i>Not-Two <u>Is</u> Peace</i> Adi Da sometimes lists self-organizing with self-rightening and self-correcting in a way that infers these are complementary concepts. I wonder if in some ways these terms are interchangeable. I’m thinking about this question because I recently noticed this statement about the relationship between systems and self-correction:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>“Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore. It is just careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels. It is inevitable that it is going to self-destruct.”<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The context for this comment is an essay on rightening the current global instability, but perhaps there is something in the essay that may move the more general conversation about self-organization forward. This is a brief essay, so I’ll share it in its entirety here for anyone who might be interested:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#002E7A'>On Establishing Rules of Participation For A Global Cooperative Order</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.1 Presently, the international community has no effective way of dealing with geopolitical issues, because it is fundamentally about “tribes” in competition with one another. There is no force that embodies everybody and that, therefore, can effectively deal with the system as a whole.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.2 Bits of the system are always confronting one another. Therefore, those who hold out or want to “play it hard” wind up controlling the whole system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.3 In general, the so-called “big powers” are bypassing rules and playing for dominance. But everybody is playing their part in the “tribal” struggle-game, which is not in the interest of humankind, and it is not survivable.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.4 Rules and accountability are essential for any system. Any notion that you can bypass such accountability is a lie in the name of serving some kind of “self”-interest. And this disposition is creating every crisis.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.5 Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore. It is just careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels. It is inevitable that it is going to self-destruct.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.6 Therefore, the international power-struggles have to be replaced by a systems-based order with rules and limits established. It is only when the system can represent itself as a totality and keep its rules in front of everyone that the system can correct itself.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.7 A rational and positive global situation requires rules for participation, based on global interdependence and prior unity—rather than being based on nation-states or other groups engaging in reactive measures in the face of being provoked or (otherwise) acting aggressively to extend their influence.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.8 The process for dealing with global realities should not be merely punitive. Rules for participation should be established—and then doors would be either opened or closed, based on whether any given nation-state or other entity abides by those rules.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.9 Participation should be the one thing everybody values—not competition, not dominance and victory over all, but participation in a global system that allows every nation-state, every human domain, to survive and enjoy essential well-being and the growth potential and benefits of participation in the whole.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.10 The rules of participation in the global community should not be arbitrary, or set up to favor certain parties over others. The rules of participation should establish positive and equal participation for everyone, with no double standards that require some to obey the rules while others do not.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.11 The Global Cooperative Forum is the system of everybody-all-at-once reasserting itself and establishing rules of participation that put all matters of global business equitably on the table—including matters of severe chronic conflict, competition for resources, degradation of the environment and disruption of weather-patterns, poverty, disease, and so forth.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002E7A'>6.12 Right rules of participation will establish an entirely different principle than nation-state competitiveness. It will allow humankind as a whole to become a functioning system—a system to which all parties get access by fulfilling certain obligations and responsibilities, which apply everywhere.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The full text of <i>Not-Two <u>Is</u> Peace </i>is available through bookstores, via Kindle download, or at <a href="http://www.da-peace.org/" target="_blank">http://www.da-peace.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All best wishes ~<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Julie<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John – the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all – to the best of my knowledge – are still in print. In historical order they are: “Order out of Chaos,” Ilya Prigogine, “Chaos,” James Gleick, and “At home in the Universe” Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with “Chaos” – which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Winter Address</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Drive</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:301-365-2093" target="_blank">301-365-2093</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Summer Address</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, ME 04843</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:207-763-3261" target="_blank">207-763-3261</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Websites</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OSLIST </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Baxter via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Great idea Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>I've now saved those links to my reference list : )</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#663300'>John Baxter</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Cocreation Consultant & </span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Co</span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Create Adelaide Facilitator</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'><a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>jsbaxter.com.au</span></a> | <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>CoCreateADL.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'>0405 447 829</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'> | </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>@</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1155CC'>jsbaxter_</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about <b>City Grill</b>!</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</span></a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.<br><br>Example: stigmergy<br><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</span></a><br><b>Stigmergy</b> is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.<br><br>More details<br><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</span></a><br><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</span></a><br><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</span></a><br><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</span></a><br><br>Daniel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Hello facilitators of self organisation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' <i>is</i> (indeed, if it is anything at all).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444'>Who should be involved in doing it?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for contributing to the quest!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#663300'>John Baxter</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator</i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>jsbaxter.com.au</span></a> | <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>CoCreateADL.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#444444'>0405 447 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