<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A good place to start for sure Harrison! When I was working on the chapter on complexity for the upcoming book on Dialogic Organization Development, I went through the bibliographies of people who work with complexity and organizations (Meg Wheatley, Ralph Stacey, Harrison Owen, Uri Merry, Frances Westley). The books you reference appeared in all of them.<br class=""><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A couple others: Mitchell Waldrop’s Complexity, which is a great history of the birth of the Sante Fe Institute. Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is also widely referenced. He doesn’t talk about self-organization but he sure describes it!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Interestingly, Gregory Bateson was also widely read. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Peggy</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">John – the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all – to the best of my knowledge – are still in print. In historical order they are: “Order out of Chaos,” Ilya Prigogine, “Chaos,” James Gleick, and “At home in the Universe” Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with “Chaos” – which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Harrison<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Winter Address<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">7808 River Falls Drive<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Potomac, MD 20854<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">301-365-2093<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Summer Address<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">189 Beaucaire Ave.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Camden, ME 04843<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">207-763-3261<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Websites<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""><a href="x-msg://80/%20www.openspaceworld.com" class=""> www.openspaceworld.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""><a href="x-msg://80/www.ho-image.com" class="">www.ho-image.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">OSLIST </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D" class="">To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" class="">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class=""> OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>John Baxter via OSList<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Great idea Daniel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like...<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">I've now saved those links to my reference list : )<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" 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I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.<br class=""><br class="">Example: stigmergy<br class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank" class="">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a><br class=""><b class="">Stigmergy</b> is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.<br class=""><br class="">More details<br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Daniel<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Hello facilitators of self organisation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' <i class="">is</i> (indeed, if it is anything at all).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#444444" class="">Who should be involved in doing it?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">Thank you for contributing to the quest!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#663300" class="">John Baxter</span></i></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><i class="">Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator</i><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div 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