<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Artur,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To add to Harrison’s comments, Gleick was explicitly noted by more than one source who looks at organizations through the lens of complexity as their first entry into the world of self-organization. And he is a good read!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Peggy</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)" class=""><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Artur ... no doubt Gleick missed a beat ... to say nothing of one of the most critical players in the emerging understanding of Self Organization. That said, James is a marvelous writer, and the stories he does tell are (I think) superbly done. As it happens, I was personally connected to one or two of them, and his descriptions and my experience correlate highly. So I would say read him for what he wrote, and forgive the rest.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Harrison<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Winter Address<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">7808 River Falls Drive<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Potomac, MD 20854<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">301-365-2093<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Summer Address<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">189 Beaucaire Ave.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Camden, ME 04843<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">207-763-3261<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">Websites<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""><a href="x-msg://82/%20www.openspaceworld.com" class=""> www.openspaceworld.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""><a href="x-msg://82/www.ho-image.com" class="">www.ho-image.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">OSLIST </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D" class="">To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" class="">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class=""> OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Artur Silva via OSList<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:32 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Harrison Owen; 'John Baxter'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_9539" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Hi people out there,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_9539" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_9539" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">I would also recommend “Order out of Chaos,” from Prigogine and Stengers and, also from the same authors: " "</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#333333" class="">The New Alliance: Metamorphosis of Science". (I don't know if there is an English translation: as I only find it in French, Spanish and Italian...). They are both written by a Physicist and an Anthropologist, but are written for the lay person. </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#333333" class="">And, yes, “</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">At home in the Universe” by Kauffmann </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#333333" class="">is a must, even if more complex.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#333333" class="">I have many doubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not even a single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the entire book. It is like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" without referring Darwin... </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5830" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Artur<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> </span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5684" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5683" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5829" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6170" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class=""><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6173" class="">To:</b> 'John Baxter' <<a href="mailto:john@jsbaxter.com.au" class="">john@jsbaxter.com.au</a>>; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> <br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5682" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div id="yiv2489568878" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5681" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5680" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5818" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">John – the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all – to the best of my knowledge – are still in print. In historical order they are: “Order out of Chaos,” Ilya Prigogine, “Chaos,” James Gleick, and “At home in the Universe” Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with “Chaos” – which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5817" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5816" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Harrison</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5815" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5679" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size: 11pt; 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World wide Open Space Technology email list<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5810" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5718" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5812" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5811" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Great idea Daniel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6042" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6041" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5717" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5716" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is much more there.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6044" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6043" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6047" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_6046" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like...<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5720" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5719" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5723" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5722" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5725" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5724" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5727" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5726" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I've now saved those links to my reference list : )<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5729" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5728" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5732" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5731" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5734" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5733" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5736" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5735" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" 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class="">Summary and links: <a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/" target="_blank" class="">cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/</a></span></i><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5764" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5763" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5766" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5765" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the discussion.<br class=""><br class="">Example: stigmergy<br class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy" target="_blank" class="">https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy</a><br class=""><b class="">Stigmergy</b> is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent.<br class=""><br class="">More details<br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html" target="_blank" class="">http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Daniel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5769" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5768" class=""><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5767" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5771" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5770" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5777" class="" type="cite"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5776" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5775" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5774" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5773" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417282607064_5772" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Hello facilitators of self organisation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' <i class="">is</i> (indeed, if it is anything at all).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Who should be involved in doing it?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you for contributing to the quest!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">John Baxter</span></i></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><i class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator</span></i><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a 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