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Thank you Anne for starting this particular angle of the topic of
self-organizing! I'm so grateful for the Spirited Work you did for
years and how much it has influenced this community. I'm also
grateful that you have highlighted how OST makes it easier to learn
our own self-authorization. I'm appreciating more and more how much
authority is a key piece in understanding how OST works, and how to
better apply OST with are more conscious awareness of what authority
is and how it works.<br>
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Daniel - I confess I've not studied Stigmergy in detail - but it
looks interesting (which at least from my perspective, if you point
something out it usually offers great value for me as a topic worthy
of further study). But I especially like your conversation and,
*meditation*, on music. It fits so well some of the unnecessary
strains I see in our community frequently. I'm not a big fan of
jargon - but there is something beautiful in the general whole
experience of music separate from the consciousness of the details,
how it works, the vibrations, etc. And there's also something
wonderful in recognizing the detailed mathematics.<br>
<br>
A philosopher/physical-therapist/cranial sacral practitioner who
like me has studied African drumming - recounted a story of an east
Indian musician who came up to a muscian and communicated
appreciation of the person's playing by saying "I really enjoyed
your calculations".<br>
<br>
There's a joke about the Buddha asking a street vendor to "Make me
one with everything". I'm waiting in SLC waiting for my next flight,
remembering reading a Buddhist magazine (Shambala Sun) on the first
leg of my journey. It is interesting reading the *detailed*
distinctions available in Buddhist thinking for consciousness, some
of which might seem like "jargon". But I found the distinctions from
the articles by Thich Nat Hahn and others very useful.<br>
<br>
No question - Jargon can be divisive. I remember walking with
classmates in college where a few of us were computer geeks. It was
like we were talking a foreign language. And yet, it's not like our
language is mere buzzwords and posing and looking important. If
you've witnessed this, there's great joy in geek fluency - if
extreme annoyance in those who hear all the jargon.<br>
<br>
One last word on this - although many really great practitioners may
not be able to talk about what they do because they're unconsciously
competent and maybe even brilliant - these brilliant practitioners
make terrible coaches. Because they don't understand the
distinctions they have coded in their brains well enough to
communicate those distinctions to others. They can't teach. I hope
we can keep the space open for those who like to ask WHY - and maybe
use technical language in the process of communicating what we find.<br>
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Blessings!<br>
Harold<br>
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P.S. Skye - thanks for the brilliance of your work and I loved the
videos of vibrations! Imagine if we could start seeing and growing
with science healthy brain vibrations.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/30/14 7:34 AM, Skye Hirst via
OSList wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings
each vibrating in their own way and together harmonies are
created, and also one of artist Lisa Sparks with feelings
vibrations in bowls of water. I hope you can see a relation to
what is happening in OS wherever, whenever life is happening.
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><span class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.thelisapark.com/#/">http://www.thelisapark.com/#/</a></span></span><span
style=""> </span>Lisa Sparks Vibrations</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><span class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/TKF6nFzpHBU">http://youtu.be/TKF6nFzpHBU</a></span></span><span
style=""> </span>Guitar
Vibrations</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Daniel
Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Anne,<br>
<br>
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV
together (NOVA) about "sociobiology." And there was this
scientist E.O. Wilson. He's this weird guy that studies
ants. And this term "stigmergy" comes up during the
viewing.<br>
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Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We
discuss ants, signs, signals, symbols and words. Words
like "music." We discuss how some truly great musicians
play from pure feel, and cannot "read" music at all, and
may in fact "be illiterate." They play the instrument
using here-and-now sensing, and feelings. They make
amazing sounds.<br>
<br>
How the instrument physically makes sound can be precisely
described. Yet how the musician makes his or her sound
cannot. And we discuss how some people are very good at
using the instrument to make a very specific sound
(without being able to clearly explain how) while others
are good at describing in general terms how the instrument
can produce many sounds (without being good at making any
pleasing sounds at all with the instrument.)<br>
<br>
Today we talked about Open Space in light of the word
'stigmergy' and this show on NOVA, and music. <br>
<br>
And how perhaps Open Space is maybe a kind of instrument.
That produces vibrations. Some folks just know how to play
the instrument to produce very specific, purposeful,
pleasing vibrations. Another set of people can clearly
explain how the instrument can produce arbitrary
vibrations. And how maybe some people belong to both
groups, and can play the instrument well, and also clearly
explain how it actually the instrument makes various
vibrations.<br>
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<img alt="" src="cid:part4.09010006.09030705@shinsato.com"
height="133" width="229"><br>
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Daniel<br>
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<div>On 11/30/14 12:12 AM, Anne Stadler via OSList wrote:<br>
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<div>Re studying self-organization<br>
Thanks all. </div>
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<div>Yes HO all IS self-organization.</div>
<div>However i'm not interested in just any kind of
self organization. OST or Opening space is
oriented to facilitating self authorization; ease
of emergence; rapid achievement of flow state and
high degree of coherence. That's my experience
gained in a seven year experiment in using OST to
evolve an Open Space Learning Community of
Practice (Spirited Work). </div>
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<div>So one thing that pops out for me if one were
to research this, maybe one needs to track a few
things:</div>
<div>1. Level of self authorization?</div>
<div>2. Ease of initiating </div>
<div>3. Ease of emergence </div>
<div>4. Level of group flow state?</div>
<div>5. Level of group coherence?</div>
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<div>Another observation: re using "well-established
words". As an example you gave us "stigmergy",
Daniel. Where is that "well-established"? Except
in certain academic fields? I am a "first
follower" Open Spacer (that is literally true!
Since 1989). I have no idea what you're talking
about, i'm sorry to say. So If you're also
interested in influencing and involving users of
OST, I would encourage no professional jargon, if
possible. It renders the enterprise meaningless to
an person for whom OST taps into natural human
patterns and ways of collaboration. </div>
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<div>Thanks for this conversation you all!</div>
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<div>Anne</div>
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