<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90876">I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90883"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90877" dir="ltr">It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90884" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90899" dir="ltr">Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu) </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90897" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90905" dir="ltr">Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90906" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90911" dir="ltr">Chuni Li<br>  </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90881" style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90880" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90879" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90882">  <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90885" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Harold Shinsato <harold@shinsato.com>; World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90889"><br><div id="yiv3541054464"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90888"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90887" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90891" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'>I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.</div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90886" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90890" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'>In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space...  you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too.</div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90917" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'>My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise...  Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.</div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_default" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90953" style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif;'>Cheers</div></div><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90954"><br clear="all"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90965"><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_signature" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90964"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90963" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90962"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90961" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90960"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90959" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90958"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90957" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90956"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90955" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90967"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1416403154726_90966" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;"><font color="#663300" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"><b><i>John Baxter</i></b></font></div><div style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuchet ms", sans-serif; font-size: small;'><i>Cocreation Consultant & ​Co​Create Adelaide Facilitator</i></div><div style='color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: "trebuche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<br clear="none"><div class="yiv3541054464gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3541054464gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
  
    
  
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    Hi Daniel,<br clear="none">
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    I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions
    1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me
    in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even
    better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort
    of thing. So instead of saying "we're going to the open space
    meeting", we just say "we're going to the open space."<br clear="none">
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    In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet
    in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things,
    *mostly* one at a time.<br clear="none">
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        Harold<div><div class="yiv3541054464h5"><br clear="none">
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    <div>On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via
      OSList wrote:<br clear="none">
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      I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?<br clear="none">
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      For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of
      /meeting/:<br clear="none">
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      meet·ing<br clear="none">
      ˈmēdiNG/<br clear="none">
      noun<br clear="none">
      noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings<br clear="none">
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          1.<br clear="none">
          <b>an assembly of people, especially the members of a society
        or commit</b><b>t</b><b>ee</b><em>, for discussion or
        entertainment.</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next
        meeting"</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
        convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council,
        rally, caucus; More</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    power lunch, power breakfast;</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    informal get-together</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    "he stood up to address the meeting"</em><br clear="none">
      <em>        a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for
        worship.</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    2.</em><br clear="none">
      <em>   <b> a coming together of two or more people, by chance or
          arrangement.</b></em><br clear="none">
      <em>    "he intrigued her on their first meeting"</em><br clear="none">
      <em>    synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More</em><br clear="none">
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      Is Open Space a meeting?<br clear="none">
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      Daniel<br clear="none">
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      <div>-- <br clear="none">
        
        
        
        
        
        
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